Republicans vote to allow gun sales to terrorists

Something the Dog Said wrote: In a video released on June 3, Al Quaeada spokesman Adam Gadahn stated:

"America is absolutely awash with easily obtainable firearms. You can go down to a gun show at the local convention center and come away with a fully automatic assault rifle, without a background check, and most likely without having to show an identification card. So what are you waiting for?"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpRQzTP8H1o

The AP reported that at least 247 people with terrorist ties bought guns in the US legally last year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110428/ap_ ... _list_guns

The Democrats introduced legislation that would prohibit gun sales to those with strong ties to terrorism. http://quigley.house.gov/index.php?opti ... cle&id=487

The House Republicans voted this amendment down, preventing the FBI from stopping gun sales to those with known strong ties to terrorism.

If you are really concerned about bad guys getting guns and using them to kill Americans, you should do some research into the Holder/Obama approved Operation Gunrunner. Many more have died from this moronic ATF & E program than your cited "loophole".

I figured President Obama would eventually push for some sort of enhanced gun control.

Never imagined he'd use a terrorist to accomplish that unspoken goal.

Brilliant!

The only ones here posting out of fear are the righties...you go from the feds wanting to close a loophole in the gun show regulations to they want to take all the guns away. No chicken littles, the sky is not falling and you can still buy your guns. Can we assume you all agree that selling guns to terrorists is ok?

There are no "loopholes" at gun shows. The term "loophole" is one conjured up by the anti-gun lefties. What these anti-gun whackos call loopholes- many of us call freedom. Since I have been of age to buy guns I have seen gun show regulations go from almost none to the dozens we have today- and I remember when we were free to buy a gun at a gun show without government intrusion. I have been held up for hours waiting for my "background check" to come through, to the point where the show was closing.

I have seen now where anyone who has ever called the police to their house for a domestic disturbance will be denied purchase, even if no charges have ever been filed. I have seen housewifes get refused at gun shops- because some other person in the house has had a charge files against them. I have seen guys get denied because a child support payment was late by a few weeks- over a year before the purchase was tried. I have seen people get denied because they have an unpaid parking ticket. I see more and more regulations and impedances being placed in front of Americans- at gun shows and elsewhere when it comes to purchasing and owning guns. We are losing freedom, sometimes by an inch and sometimes by a mile.

Don't give me that chicken little crap- what you idiots call loopholes are just more regulations you want to have in place- to make it harder for citizens to buy guns. We need less regulations- not more.

Many of those regulations should be found to be un-constitutional - given the sprit of the words "shall not be infringed".

archer wrote: I don't see anywhere that the government is trying to scare the public......but I do see a lot of "they're trying to take our guns away" hysteria from the right.

I have a question for you archer. Can you tell me one law that the federal government has passed in the last 100 years that expanded, rather than reduced, the ability of a citizen to own a firearm? Anytime the federal legislature gets involved in firearms, the result is that fewer people are able to acquire them. The beginning of the whole infringement really began with the 1934 law which imposed a tax equivalent to about 3 or 4 months worth of wages whenever one of the weapons listed in the law was sold. The 1986 law they passed made it legal for you and I to purchase and own an M-16 made in 1985 or earlier, but illegal if that same firearm was manufactured in 1986 or later. Can you tell me how the 1986 law wasn't an example of the general government taking away our guns? How about the 1994 law that banned the sale of certain weapons manufactured after the date of that law, even though it contained a sunset provision? Need we mention the laws taking away guns that were passed in Chicago and DC that were overturned by the Supreme Court in the last couple of years?

No archer, whenever the government gets involved in firearms it is to take them away. That is simply the reality and the judgement of history. It is not hysteria, it is reality.

PrintSmith wrote:

archer wrote: I don't see anywhere that the government is trying to scare the public......but I do see a lot of "they're trying to take our guns away" hysteria from the right.

I have a question for you archer. Can you tell me one law that the federal government has passed in the last 100 years that expanded, rather than reduced, the ability of a citizen to own a firearm? .

When you start out with the idea that everyone....absolutely everyone (be they sane, insane, a felon, a terrorist, or a 5 year old kid), has the right to whatever gun they want (even a gun bigger, better, and more expensive than what our troops can get)....how could you possibly pass a law to make them MORE available?

silly question

If they "take them away" from terrorists on the "watch list", then I'm all for it.

archer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote:

archer wrote: I don't see anywhere that the government is trying to scare the public......but I do see a lot of "they're trying to take our guns away" hysteria from the right.

I have a question for you archer. Can you tell me one law that the federal government has passed in the last 100 years that expanded, rather than reduced, the ability of a citizen to own a firearm? .

When you start out with the idea that everyone....absolutely everyone (be they sane, insane, a felon, a terrorist, or a 5 year old kid), has the right to whatever gun they want (even a gun bigger, better, and more expensive than what our troops can get)....how could you possibly pass a law to make them MORE available?

silly question

Not really LJ. After having infringed once, it would be possible to pass a law that rescinds the earlier law - which they have yet to do in any instance. Thus every law to date is one more instance of them taking away the guns. When they rescind one of the laws they have passed prior, then and only then can it be said that they have not taken away our guns in every instance. Then and only then will it even be a possibility that the charge that the federal legislature always tries to take guns away is anything other than reality as it exists.

It stated the watch list changes constantly, is secret and even lists people with ties to known terrorist organizations. Can we get a bit more vague?

PrintSmith wrote:

archer wrote:

PrintSmith wrote:

archer wrote: I don't see anywhere that the government is trying to scare the public......but I do see a lot of "they're trying to take our guns away" hysteria from the right.

I have a question for you archer. Can you tell me one law that the federal government has passed in the last 100 years that expanded, rather than reduced, the ability of a citizen to own a firearm? .

When you start out with the idea that everyone....absolutely everyone (be they sane, insane, a felon, a terrorist, or a 5 year old kid), has the right to whatever gun they want (even a gun bigger, better, and more expensive than what our troops can get)....how could you possibly pass a law to make them MORE available?

silly question

Not really LJ. After having infringed once, it would be possible to pass a law that rescinds the earlier law - which they have yet to do in any instance. Thus every law to date is one more instance of them taking away the guns. When they rescind one of the laws they have passed prior, then and only then can it be said that they have not taken away our guns in every instance. Then and only then will it even be a possibility that the charge that the federal legislature always tries to take guns away is anything other than reality as it exists.

I'm assuming that response was directed at me, not LJ.....

I dunno PS.....I have a gun, I bought it legally, I had a background check which I obviously passed, I don't see anyone coming to take away my gun.......now if I commit a femony, I guess they could either take it away, or keep me from buying another....and that is probably not a bad thing.

Get back to me when a law abiding citizen can't buy a gun and I'll start to worry. FYI...I am a firm believer in the rights of law abiding Americans to own and carry a gun.

I can do that right now. Go out an purchase an M-16 manufactured in 2002 archer and see what happens. I guarantee you you won't be able to purchase it. You are a law abiding citizen, you said so yourself and I will take you at your word. Go ahead, go out and purchase an M-16 manufactured in 2002. The only way you will accomplish it is to break the law. You can buy one from 1982 if you have the cash, but not one made in 2002, regardless of how much cash you have. I've just proven to you that a law abiding citizen can't purchase a gun - can I presume you will start worrying now?