Taking Cain Seriously

NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack
The pizza CEO's ascent, and Perry's decline — probably not the last shakeup

Fueled by Tea Party supporters, conservatives and high-interest GOP primary voters, former Godfather’s Pizza CEO Herman Cain now leads the race for the Republican presidential nomination, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/44881446?GT1=43001

LadyJazzer wrote: What these yo-yos don't understand is that it wouldn't BE just "9% instead of what they're paying now"....It would be 9% on EVERYTHING...ON TOP of what you pay in State taxes, County taxes and Local taxes. You live in a state where the state sales tax is 8%, you'll now be paying 17%. The states decides to carve out an exception for autos, hospital care, medical services, child support...Tough... You go to the hospital for a surgery that costs $100,000? Be prepared to pay an extra $9,000 ... You have a heart attack and owe the ambulance company $2000 for the trip?...Be prepared to pay an additional $180. No more mortgage deduction; no more deductions for charitable contributions.

The only deduction still allowed in the idiotic 9-9-9 plan is the charitable contribution.

The seniors alone would knock this plan down. I can imagine the commercials already. For the 2/3 rds of them dependent on Social Security that pay no income tax now, they get socked with a new 9% sales tax. And unless Cain clarifies it, they get hit with a 9% income tax as well. That amounts to as much as an 18% cut in their Social Security benefit. And oh, Cain eventually wants to get rid of the current Social Security system as well.

Cain thinks he can make a huge change in our tax system which has never been done since the income tax was first introduced. And after he thinks he can implement the 9-9-9, he thinks he can make anouther huge change and replace it with the Fair Tax. Yeah, right.

If he wants the Fair Tax, he should just campain on that now. Forget the 9-9-9. He's got no chance with it.

TPP wrote: NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack
The pizza CEO's ascent, and Perry's decline — probably not the last shakeup

Emphasis mine. As Sarah said, he's the "flavor of the week."

Conservation Voice wrote:

TPP wrote: NBC/WSJ poll: Cain now leads GOP pack
The pizza CEO's ascent, and Perry's decline — probably not the last shakeup

Emphasis mine. As Sarah said, he's the "flavor of the week."

The GOP electorate is still very undecided. 65% of them still haven't found a candidate they really like. One reason why Republican donations are down compared to Obama.

As we get closer and closer to the primaries, there isn't a lot of time for Republicans to find some dark horse to jump in the race and excite their voters. Meanwhile the candidates they do have are doing a great job feeding the democrats lots of good stuff to use on whoever does manage to get the nomination.

Personally I think this whole process starts too early. They should wait till Jan 1 to allow anyone to declare for office....and then no primaries till March....and I sure wish all the primaries were the same day. I hate it when the nominee is decided long before some states even get to vote. I think it would have helped Hillary in the last election.

archer wrote: . I think it would have helped Hillary in the last election.

Hillary would have easily won if Obama was vetted and scrutinized by the media like every Republican candidate. Hillary's history was already well known, but they gave Obama softball after softball...she got screwed.

pineinthegrass wrote: The only deduction still allowed in the idiotic 9-9-9 plan is the charitable contribution.

The seniors alone would knock this plan down. I can imagine the commercials already. For the 2/3 rds of them dependent on Social Security that pay no income tax now, they get socked with a new 9% sales tax. And unless Cain clarifies it, they get hit with a 9% income tax as well. That amounts to as much as an 18% cut in their Social Security benefit. And oh, Cain eventually wants to get rid of the current Social Security system as well.

How much are those same seniors paying in taxes already PITG? They are paying fuel taxes, excise taxes on their electricity and gas. They are paying federal excise taxes on fuel and equipment to grow and ship food and other goods to market. They are paying the matching privilege taxes for the businesses they patronize, along with the businesses income taxes. Just because seniors are not paying a sales tax that they can see doesn't mean that they are not paying something close to that in taxes without being aware of how much they are currently being taxed.

And we should be looking to get rid of the current SS system that is bottomed on a Ponzi foundation of having current investors pay off the earlier investors in favor of one that has them contributing to their own benefits that they would then have a personal property right to. That would be a much better system than the one we have now and we would likely not be looking at a $10 Trillion unfunded liability for the program if it had been designed to be sustainable from the get go instead of being designed for maximum political profit.

archer wrote: Personally I think this whole process starts too early. They should wait till Jan 1 to allow anyone to declare for office....and then no primaries till March....and I sure wish all the primaries were the same day. I hate it when the nominee is decided long before some states even get to vote. I think it would have helped Hillary in the last election.

Personally I think we should do away with primaries entirely and stop allowing political parties to reduce the electorate to voting for the lessor of evils instead of their first choice come election day. I think we will ultimately end up with not only a better executive, but also reduce the influence of bundled special interest money to boot.

CivilBill wrote:

archer wrote: . I think it would have helped Hillary in the last election.

Hillary would have easily won if Obama was vetted and scrutinized by the media like every Republican candidate. Hillary's history was already well known, but they gave Obama softball after softball...she got screwed.

I think it's funny that the Obama birth certificate issue was fueled by people in Hillary's camp:

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy,” it said. “She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... inton.html

Conservation Voice wrote:

CivilBill wrote:

archer wrote: . I think it would have helped Hillary in the last election.

Hillary would have easily won if Obama was vetted and scrutinized by the media like every Republican candidate. Hillary's history was already well known, but they gave Obama softball after softball...she got screwed.

I think it's funny that the Obama birth certificate issue was fueled by people in Hillary's camp:

An anonymous email circulated by supporters of Mrs Clinton, Mr Obama’s main rival for the party’s nomination, thrust a new allegation into the national spotlight — that he had not been born in Hawaii.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy,” it said. “She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... inton.html

You don't believe Hillary is a birther do you?