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Any manage rthat enjoys firing the people they hired is by definition a bad manager.CritiKalbILL wrote:
The amount of people I fired was relative to the number of years I was in business...you don't know either of those numbers. You also need to figure in the occupation. I don't know how many mechanics you've hired, but there is a very wide range from apprentices to seasoned and sometimes the apprentices can become the best employees or the seasoned "pros" can be the worst. I had many years of the same employees who did great jobs and made great money...but things change over time. If you know anything about mechanics, you know the good ones are hard to find.jmc wrote:
I have seen very successful people fail, and "losers" succeed. Figuring that out for your companies situation is called Management!. If you have to fire a lot of people, you are a crap manager.CritiKalbILL wrote:
You must be a far superior judge of people than myself. The only information I could get from past employers was meaningless as far as personality and performance. I've taken chances on people who seemed a little sub-par but needed a job badly, some were my best employees. I've also hired a few that seemed to be perfect until their "Eddie Haskell" front wore off and hands were caught in the cookie jar.jmc wrote:
Did you do crap job of hiring so you could enjoy firing people?CritiKalbILL wrote: When I had my business, I LOVED TO FIRE PEOPLE. That's right, I said it. Because when I fired someone, it was only because they desreved to be fired. They either stole from me, or they continued to do sub-par work, even after being educated over and over againn about how to do the job properly, then reverting back to their old bad habbits.
I didn't start the business for the benefit of half-assed workers. I started it for the benefit of my family and anyone else that wanted to join the team and make the company grow.
The reason I enjoyed firing them was because when I did, those on the "half-assed work fence" suddenly found Jesus, put out better work, then got higher compensation. I was also able to bring in new people who were just as eager to do a good job (until they fell off the wagon).
So yes, firing dead weight is not only fun, it's also profitable! IMO, this is the main reason why our public schools suck so bad, and why unions in general create an environment of mediocre robots with no incentive to be the best they can be.
The only time firing hurt my heart, was when I was too sick to keep the business going and no longer had a choice.
I took it as a failure of mine and my management in hiring if we had to fire a lot.
So much for personal responsibility.
Just like when find a rodent in my house, I enjoy knowing I got em and they will never infest my property again. This has nothing to do with fairness...it's my call and I say what is fair. If the people I've fired had the ambition to start their own business, they would soon find out how hard it is to trust your financial life to sh$tty workers.
If you are suggesting that I was a bad manager, I would just say that you have no idea how important my customer base was to me. My reputation could quickly be destroyed if I kept the guys who left my customers stranded or misdiagnosed problems resulting in unfair billing... and all the teaching in the world won't fix some people.
But thanks for the indirect insult.
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I tried to be civil and have a decent conversatiion with you..but of course you just can't help yourself and have to insult me. So fuck off asshole.jmc wrote:
Any manage rthat enjoys firing the people they hired is by definition a bad manager.CritiKalbILL wrote:
The amount of people I fired was relative to the number of years I was in business...you don't know either of those numbers. You also need to figure in the occupation. I don't know how many mechanics you've hired, but there is a very wide range from apprentices to seasoned and sometimes the apprentices can become the best employees or the seasoned "pros" can be the worst. I had many years of the same employees who did great jobs and made great money...but things change over time. If you know anything about mechanics, you know the good ones are hard to find.jmc wrote:
I have seen very successful people fail, and "losers" succeed. Figuring that out for your companies situation is called Management!. If you have to fire a lot of people, you are a crap manager.CritiKalbILL wrote:
You must be a far superior judge of people than myself. The only information I could get from past employers was meaningless as far as personality and performance. I've taken chances on people who seemed a little sub-par but needed a job badly, some were my best employees. I've also hired a few that seemed to be perfect until their "Eddie Haskell" front wore off and hands were caught in the cookie jar.jmc wrote:
Did you do crap job of hiring so you could enjoy firing people?CritiKalbILL wrote: When I had my business, I LOVED TO FIRE PEOPLE. That's right, I said it. Because when I fired someone, it was only because they desreved to be fired. They either stole from me, or they continued to do sub-par work, even after being educated over and over againn about how to do the job properly, then reverting back to their old bad habbits.
I didn't start the business for the benefit of half-assed workers. I started it for the benefit of my family and anyone else that wanted to join the team and make the company grow.
The reason I enjoyed firing them was because when I did, those on the "half-assed work fence" suddenly found Jesus, put out better work, then got higher compensation. I was also able to bring in new people who were just as eager to do a good job (until they fell off the wagon).
So yes, firing dead weight is not only fun, it's also profitable! IMO, this is the main reason why our public schools suck so bad, and why unions in general create an environment of mediocre robots with no incentive to be the best they can be.
The only time firing hurt my heart, was when I was too sick to keep the business going and no longer had a choice.
I took it as a failure of mine and my management in hiring if we had to fire a lot.
So much for personal responsibility.
Just like when find a rodent in my house, I enjoy knowing I got em and they will never infest my property again. This has nothing to do with fairness...it's my call and I say what is fair. If the people I've fired had the ambition to start their own business, they would soon find out how hard it is to trust your financial life to sh$tty workers.
If you are suggesting that I was a bad manager, I would just say that you have no idea how important my customer base was to me. My reputation could quickly be destroyed if I kept the guys who left my customers stranded or misdiagnosed problems resulting in unfair billing... and all the teaching in the world won't fix some people.
But thanks for the indirect insult.
Try hiring to meet the needs of of your customers. Quit blaming others for your failure to hire the right skills to run your business.
I love the way you "like to fire people" and take no responsibility for your crappy hiring skills.
A big part of successful management is hiring the right people and helping them be productive., take some ownership of your lack of hiring skills not pride in firing people. This is part of what is wrong with the small biz crowd. Quit congratulating yourself and recognize your failure.
My problem with "small business" types is you blame your employees, customers and vendors, never do you look at your own lack of ability. Small for a reason? No wonder 80% fail.
Never indirect .
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If I worthless partisan hack like Holder could become a SC Justice, this country is truly screwed.Martin Ent Inc wrote: Be aware that BO hasn't fired Holder because he is grooming him for a Supreme Court Justice position.
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