Speaking of 9/11 ....

Read the article. the Rep were not trying to hurt 911 responders. there was an add on that was a problem and they compromised.

I tried to appeal to good will and kindness on a national day of mourning that didn't work so here's the deal, your argument sucks, it was half the story and this is the story of some of the dems on here. Get the facts next time! that original article sucked!

The bipartisan deal cut funding to $4.3 billion while reducing the window of eligibility from eight years to five. The legislation is largely paid for by imposing a 2 percent fee on companies based in countries that have not signed a government procurement agreement with the United States.

Coburn touted the compromise.

“I’m pleased the sponsors of this bill agreed to lower costs dramatically, offset the bill, sunset key provisions and take steps to prevent fraud,” Coburn said in a statement.

“Every American recognizes the heroism of the 9/11 first responders, but it is not compassionate to help one group while robbing future generations of opportunity,” he added. “I’m pleased this agreement strikes a fair balance and improves the bill the majority attempted to rush through at the last minute."

Your article makes no mention of 'add ons'...it does mention how Dems Schumer and Gillibrand worked "feverishly" to get assistance to the first responders. It also quotes Schumer graciously thanking his Republican colleagues for finally coming together to get it passed - classy - even though Republicans cut the total thing nearly in half. Good to know when things really come down to the nitty gritty, the Dems got your back. The Republicans?...they got about half your back.

plaidvillain wrote: Your article makes no mention of 'add ons'...it does mention how Dems Schumer and Gillibrand worked "feverishly" to get assistance to the first responders. It also quotes Schumer graciously thanking his Republican colleagues for finally coming together to get it passed - classy - even though Republicans cut the total thing nearly in half. Good to know when things really come down to the nitty gritty, the Dems got your back. The Republicans?...they got about half your back.

“The Christmas miracle we’ve been looking for has arrived," Schumer said in a statement Wednesday. "Over the last 24 hours, our Republican colleagues have negotiated in good faith to forge a workable final package that will protect the health of the men and women who selflessly answered our nation’s call in her hour of greatest need.

“We thank our Republican friends for coming together to fulfill America’s moral obligation to the heroes of 9/11,” Schumer added.

This is what happens in congress and something your rock star Obama lacks. Clinton was good at negotiation and so was Reagan. I am done, this is what debating with facts looks like. Just FYI.

Boy, facts are persistent things, aren't they?

Zadroga Act Opponents, Including Paul Ryan, Observe September 11 Anniversary

WASHINGTON -- The nation's leading Republicans marked the 11th anniversary of 9/11 with the words "never forget" on their lips -- most of those using the occasion to promote legislation -- but nearly all of them opposed the bill passed two years ago to help the first responders who suffered health problems in the wake of the attacks.

Prominent among them was vice presidential nominee, Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), who voted twice against the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act, and opposed the final passage of the bill.

Ryan also voted against previous versions of the measure, in September and June of 2010, and the version that ultimately passed the House did so without Ryan's vote. It passed the Senate unanimously after Republicans there extracted numerous concessions, including cutting the fund from $7.4 billion to $4.3 billion and making that money available for only six years. In observing Tuesday's anniversary, Ryan joined numerous other colleagues who joined him in opposing the Zadroga Act.

Cantor, McCarthy and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio), who also spoke, all voted against the 9/11 bill or skipped final passage.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/1 ... 74638.html

I just love "compassionate conservatism"...I could sit and watch it for hours... before I puke. But how nice it was for all the guys that voted against the bill to gather together to celebrate the day, and express their "patriotism"...

CG, your smugness and self-righteousness are YOUR problem. You can have your opinions, but your high horse is what people on here don't like and that is their opinion and they are entitled to it. I agree, stop acting like you are the only adult in the room. You engage in the very behavior that you whine about. You need a thick skin to be on this particular board. You are coming off as very thin skinned.

If you were going to be in a national disaster, 9/11 was the one to be a part of. The payouts were the largest in history for both victims and first responders. Sure some people were missed, but most were well taken care of. Our plane had been diverted that day and forced down in Toronto and both our hotel rooms and phone bill were taken care of without even asking.

I gave you a very good argument. Soulshiner, you are just as bad. You guys all talk about how you want discussion but you don't. Your actions show that you want to make fun of the other side. Don't give me smugness, I told you I was not being smug and I apologized, that is way more than you have done. I feel just fine about all my actions except the ones I owned up to and said I did out of emotion. As far as I am concerned about 50% of you are just plain bullies. You don't want anything more than just making people look bad.

I am done. I gave you an argument and I got the same tired thing back, You are this and you are that. I am smug now? I stand behind my original question. Did you have to do this on a national day of mourning and the answer was YES. I accept it and will move on. You guys showed me something that I won't forget.

I don't know if you represent main stream but you are just as bad, if not worse, than those that you make fun of and call names and your racist, angry white men statements that have been proven untrue. There are racists and angry white men, but you cannot say all or even most of the republicans are. If I see my party or anyone on this board say something truly awful, I don't read all posts, I will call them out on it. And I do know it happens. I know you won't do it for you own party.

Some of you have shown yourselves to be uncaring and opportunistic on a national day of mourning then defended it. You got a very good argument from me, then you called me smug. You have no intention of debating anything. And I am still waiting for an argument, there is none because that article was not meant to debate it was meant to embarrass so you have nothing and if you only have "the man" argument you will have nothing throughout the election.

Thin skinned, no. I am just calling you out for the bullies you are. You still have no argument. If you think I come off as the only adult in the room that is your opinion.

9/11 is over. You feel entitled to trash americans on that day, you don't feel bad about it, you do not feel unity, and from what I have seen hate others for their views. Duly noted. If I am wrong tell me but otherwise the subject is done for me.

Yes, speaking of 9/11. On the 11th anniversary of that attack from Muslim extremists upon this union, there were two attacks on American soil. One, at our embassy in Egypt, where the flag of the union was ripped down and ripped up to be replaced with a black flag of Muslim extremists and the other at our consulate in Libya where our ambassador and 3 others were killed. I listened to the president's remarks this morning, nothing about a renewed attack on this union by Muslim extremists timed to coincide with the anniversary of another such attack, it's like it didn't even occur to him, that he believes it is simply a coincidence of some sort.

I've seen a lot of official releases from the embassy in Egypt, President Obama and SecState Clinton about our Union's long history of religious tolerance dating back to the founding of the Union, that any intentional denigration of anyone's religion is deplorable, and I hear the President and SecState saying that violence such as this never has any justification, but what I witness on the pages of this forum from the supporters of this administration coincides more with the actions of this mob than it does the words coming from the administration.

Know who was defending our ambassador and our embassy in Libya? Libyans, not Marines.

This administration backed the efforts to replace the dictators of these two countries. This president committed the armed forces of this union by his decree alone to protect the Libyans looking to overthrow their government. We assisted both of these overthrows in support of the citizens of these nations and we now get to see their security forces stand by and do nothing while our embassies and consulates are attacked? Really?

Who else remembers the way this president and his administration responded in Afghanistan when some Qur'ans that were being used to pass messages were destroyed in what the local population determined was an improper manner? Think that the response then had anything to do with the perceived consequences of yesterday's actions by those that planned and executed them? I do too. This is the type of foreign policy results that the president thinks allows him to mock the lack of experience of his challenger? Truly? This is the result of his highly successful efforts to enhance our standing in the global community? Really?

Pray tell me why anyone was allowed to storm our embassy, enter the courtyard, and rip down our standard while nothing was done to prevent it. Pray tell me why the security of our ambassador and the other citizens who worked in that consulate and the consulate itself was entrusted to others when our troops are being killed by what are supposed to be friendly forces in that region of the world. Please tell my why I should think that if our intelligence operations can't sniff out two organized attacks on our embassies in time to beef up their security or expose the operation before it gets off the ground that I should have confidence that the Freedom Tower in New York is secure, or the Statue of Liberty which is set to open access to the observation area for the first time since the last attacks on 9/11 occurred.

Yeah, I'm mad. Irish fighting mad.

Damn right PS... our State Dept. is ultimately responsible for trusting the securiity forces of libya who are suppose to be protecting our people. I was shocked to here we didn't have our own military there in the first place. This is what we get when we trust the people we tried to help. Obama thinks he can make peace with his speeches... all he ever does is make us weak in the eyes of our enemies.

I don't suppose it's dawned on any of you brainiacs that this may be the nexus of the president doing something presidential just before the election? What are you guys going to do if he does as the right is suggesting and responds with force? How will that affect the election, hmmmm?