1st Presidential Debate thoughts...

Quote copied from another thread...

Science Chic wrote: I say we make a contest of who can spot the fallacies in each candidates arguments first! lol Bonus points if you point out the ones your own candidate makes. :thumbsup:

OK, I'll play.

1. Romney- Tax reform. His numbers do not balance. Cut taxes for the middle class, upper class pays the same share thru decreased loopholes and decreased rates. And small businesses pay less. Doesn't add up to neutral revenues. I suspect he is assuming a 10 year optimistic analysis with GDP growth boosting revenues, not a first year balance. Big if considering where we are with national debt.

2. Obama- Medicare. "Medicare is the biggest driver of the deficit-Obama" Solution, cut payments to providers. Nonsense, and it never holds and just shifts costs anyway. Also, cut 700 Billion from Medicare and turn around and spend it again on Obamacare. Raise medicare tax, pretend it extends the trust fund, and turn around and spend it on Obamacare. His numbers don't add up either. You can't double count savings and revenues and pretend to reduce deficits.

Romney's tax plan? One of the biggest reasons for the current record growth of debt is the bad economy and increased spending. Since decreasing spending is very unlikely, the only way to pay for it is to get the economy going. And under Obama, that isn't looking likely.

Hopefully this will change with regime change, but no one knows.

Undecided Voters: Round One Goes to Romney

http://www.dailyfinance.com/2012/10/04/ ... d%3D215365

Now, we don't agree on much, but reality is reality. Gov. Romney won the debate.

No way to deny it, spin it, or paint a different picture. It was the moment the Romney campaign was looking for -- a decisive victory that could change the narrative -- and he got it.

One knew from the opening answer that Gov. Romney had come loaded for bear. From that very first answer on, he was passionate and forceful. He recited a blizzard of facts and offered well-structured answers. He was empathetic and respectful to the president. And, he pushed a coherent and focused message. In fact, for these 90 minutes, he was the opposite of the campaign and the candidate the American people have seen.

Yes, he was quite good.

I am really looking forward to Mr. Biden and Mr. Ryan going toe to toe on October 11th. And I bet Mr. Obama will be ready for the next round. This is good stuff.

Obama kept looking down at his blackberry- not a good strategy to try to use it as a teleprompter. It didn't work- and it was a bad idea.

Obama was slapped around like a New York Cop on a OWS hippie.

Romney had to interrupt because Obama was running the clock- he went over just about every segment- and as it was Obama got several minutes more time than Romney. Had Romney not asserted himself he would have lost even more time.

He did just exactly what I would expect a leader to do- take control and lead.

I see the left are calling it rude- but hey- it was Obama who was rude and disrespectful of the time limit rules.

I also think the argument that Romney was not specific is a hollow one- first of all, no politician should ever make the mistake of digressing into the minutiae of details during a debate, but I think he did a better than average job of spelling out how and what he would do.

Obama was extremely vague in 2008- and all the liberals bought it line and sinker- hope and change- that's all they needed to hear, we got a hell of a lot more from Romney last night.

Sorry if the left can't understand plain english- but he was pretty detailed from what I saw- without getting lost in the trifles of each topic.

It's impossible to argue with a flaming liberal like yourself or Obama because neither of you understand where real revenue increases come from. You think that taxing the rich is a way to pay down the debt, but when you do that math, you find that it doesn't do much at all. Real serious revenue increases ONLY come from economic growth. It comes from businesses being able to get started easier, to be able to compete in world markets, to be able to expand with some certainty that their taxes and new regulations won't be crushing their future. You seem to think that the government can print and tax our way out of this. You also love to bring up "the Bush policies that got us into this mess". What specific policies caused the housing/credit crash... where was Obama when these policies of "everyone deserves to own a home" became such feel good conversation?

The fact is that businesses are the golden goose and that really erks some of you liberals. These are the job creators and they make governement jobs possible. You can only tax and regulate them so much before they downsize or move offshore.

Very good observations in this quote- the left will never understand how the real world works- and if you ever get one to understand, they will play it like it dosn't matter- or like they don't care. The sad thing is that when we go into the abyss- they will be pulling us along in with them. Then they will try to blame someone else for their mistakes- just like the emperor in chief.

Liberals can hear Romney articulate his plan 5 times in a row- and then ask why he dosn't have a plan!

You just can't fix stupid.

I like this quote by Dennis Miller about last night....

"I hope a kicked ass is covered by Obamacare"

Maybe Obama thought he was going to debate a bumbler like McCain again?

Instead Mitt seemed on top of his game. (and didn't even use caffeine.)

Well this is the first day that I have come on here and not have LJ's BS to read. Maybe someone needs to do a welfare check on her?

LJ's BS:

I'm disappointed in Obama's performance. I think Lehrer should be taken out behind the stable and put down humanely. I thought RMoney came with his "A-Game", and dominated..including the moderator.

I thought Obama let him get by with at least 15 outright lies, and Obama just let it go. What was HE thinking?

I think that won't happen the second time.

I don't think this is going to change the outcome of the election..

There... Happy?

Without notes BO is a non thinker on his feet.

That's crap... He was worrying too much about coming across as the "angry black guy", and was playing the "aloof, presidential" game.

But carry on. Today is your day to enjoy it.

Al Gore knows it all, and he nails it as to why Obama was off his game last night...

[youtube][/youtube]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jm9BoM2Q81c

Too bad Obama didn't talk about the Social Security lockbox...