VP Debate?

In one sentence Biden says the intel was bad and nobody told him and Obama it was a terrorist attack. In another sentence he relies on the same intel that tells him Iran is nowhere close to having a nuke. So is Biden throwing the CIA under the bus, or is the CIA as inept as this administration?

Heisenberg wrote: In one sentence Biden says the intel was bad and nobody told him and Obama it was a terrorist attack. In another sentence he relies on the same intel that tells him Iran is nowhere close to having a nuke. So is Biden throwing the CIA under the bus, or is the CIA as inept as this administration?

It's Valerie Plame's fault.

apropo of nothing.....

Blazer Bob wrote: apropo of nothing.....

WOW, maybe laughing Joe B could get a role in the next Batman film since he'll be out of work soon.

Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars
Vice President Joe Biden accused Rep. Paul Ryan of putting two wars on the “credit card,” and then suggested he voted against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

The Washington Free Beacon

They say the memory is the 2nd thing to go.

After reviewing the remark more closely, I am of the opinion that the "them" referenced by Biden referred to the 2003 income tax rate cuts, not the wars or Medicare Part D, all of which he voted in favor of. It may be a bit disingenuous for him to attack Ryan for voting for all of them when he also voted in favor of most of the items on the list, but I think he simply had another "sometimes the words don't come out of your mouth the right way" episode for which he is well known and wasn't trying to intentionally mislead anyone into believing that he had voted against Medicare Part D (including every expansion of the program while he was a Senator) and the congressional authorizations to use force in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Joe may be crazy, but he isn't stupid.

FredHayek wrote:

Democracy4Sale wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

netdude wrote: Just another day in the alternate-reality world know as Republican echo chamber where:
There is no war on womans rights. Women don't need no stinkin rights!
Joe Biden is senile.
Our sitting president is a muslim and not an america
Cutting taxes on the rich means the economy will improve automatically
Cutting PBS funding will fix all our problems
Education is a bad thing.
Teachers are the evil our world today
Almost every person of Mexican descent is an illegal alien
Our roads and bridges are fine, they don't need repair. Police and fire rescue are not needed and I don't need to pay no god damn taxes.
Fvck the poor, they deserve it, they just need to go away.
Everyone does not need medical care, if they do, they can goto the emergency room (5 times the cost and WE pay)
Flip-floping positions for years just to get elected is OK. AS long as they have an 'R' after their name
Fvck science.... we don't need no stinking science.
And the locals here know more than anybody else on foreign policy.....

Talk about mis-characterizing people.

I think he's dead-on....

But women don't agree with Netdude, Romney is closing the women gap, even with single females. Guess women prefer jobs and higher household incomes to unemployment, a stagnant economy, & falling household wealth.

Yes... The teabaggers have done so much to "close the woman gap... rofllol rofllol As of now he's still behind between 20 to 26 points with women... Which I can't understand, since he has all of these guys on his side to convince women that there's no "War on Women" going on:

GOP Senate Candidate Says No Abortion Access For Rape Victims
Rick Berg, North Dakota GOP Senate Candidate: No Abortion Access For Rape Victims (Video)


GOP Lawmaker Loses Support After Saying 'Some Girls Rape Easy'
Roger Rivard Loses Support From Wisconsin Republicans After Saying 'Some Girls Rape Easy'


Pro-Life Rep Mired In Abortion Scandal Presides Over Congress
Scott DesJarlais Presides Over Congress Pro Forma Session Despite Abortion Scandal


Todd Akin Concerned That Somehow Non-Pregnant Women Are Getting Abortions


Todd Akin On Abortion: 'Legitimate Rape' Victims Have 'Ways To Try To Shut That Whole Thing Down' (VIDEO)

You can't make this sh*t up... rofllol

Deflect, deflect, deflect.... Doesn't make the GOTP War-on-Women go away, does it... Still doesn't change the number of how far behind RMoney & Lyin'-Ryan are with women, does it...

But you keep trying.... rofllol

Grady wrote:

Biden Claims He Voted Against Afghanistan, Iraq Wars
Vice President Joe Biden accused Rep. Paul Ryan of putting two wars on the “credit card,” and then suggested he voted against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

“By the way, they talk about this great recession like it fell out of the sky–like, ‘Oh my goodness, where did it come from?’” Biden said. “It came from this man voting to put two wars on a credit card, at the same time, put a prescription drug plan on the credit card, a trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy.”

“I was there, I voted against them,” Biden continued. “I said, no, we can’t afford that.”

Then Sen. Biden voted for the Afghanistan resolution on Sept. 14, 2001 which authorized “the use of United States Armed Forces against those responsible for the recent attacks launched against the United States.”

And on Oct. 11, 2002, Biden voted for a resolution authorizing unilateral military action in Iraq, according to the Washington Post.

The Washington Free Beacon

They say the memory is the 2nd thing to go.

More likely reading comprehension. Bide voted against the unfunded trillion dollar tax cut for the very wealthy. Biden voted against the unfunded prescription drug benefit. AND Biden voted against the lack of funding for the Iraq and Afghanistan invasions. He pushed hard to require funding streams and to insist upon the other Arab countries pony up and help pay for it. He did vote for the resolutions on Iraq and Afghanistan, but he voted against putting those on China's credit card.

Everything he stated is true and factual. But then the truth does not make a good outrage in this case.

But since you are interested in talking about false statements, let's talk about a few that did happen. Here's a few to start with, then we can come back with more.

. Ryan claimed the Obama administration has blocked sanctions on Iran and tried to stop them.

The truth: In July, the Obama administration ordered new sanctions on Iran. According to The Hill, “Obama signed an executive order that imposes new sanctions on the Iranian energy and petrochemical sectors to block the country from circumventing existing sanctions. The order also expands sanctions on Iran’s petrochemical industry by making the purchase or acquisition of Iranian petrochemical products sanctionable. Separately, the Treasury Department announced sanctions against two international financial institutions — Bank of Kunlun in China and Elaf Islamic Bank in Iraq — for facilitating transactions on behalf of Iranian banks that are subject to international sanctions.”

2). Ryan claimed that Obama slashed security funding for embassies.

The truth: Paul Ryan and the House Republicans slashed funding for diplomatic security. According to The Washington Post, “For fiscal 2013, the GOP-controlled House proposed spending $1.934 billion for the State Department’s Worldwide Security Protection program — well below the $2.15 billion requested by the Obama administration.”

3). Ryan said a Medicare board appointed by Obama will be making healthcare decisions for seniors.



The Truth: According to PolitFact Ohio, “The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act creates the 15-member Independent Payment Advisory Board to suggest ways to limit Medicare’s spending growth. It can be overruled by Congress. Its appointments will be done in public. It will not make decisions on individual cases. The board can reduce how much the government pays health care providers for services, reduce payments to hospitals with very high rates of readmissions or recommend innovations that cut wasteful spending. It may not raise premiums for Medicare beneficiaries or increase deductibles, co-insurance or co-payments. The IPAB also cannot change who is eligible for Medicare, restrict benefits or make recommendations that would raise revenue.”

4). Ryan said Obamacare takes $716 billion out of Medicare for seniors, and turns Medicare into a piggy bank for Obamacare.

The Truth: According to FactCheck.org, “Republicans claim the president’s $716 billion “cuts” to Medicare hurt the program’s finances. But the opposite is true. These cuts in the future growth of spending prolong the life of the Medicare trust fund, stretching the program’s finances out longer than they would last otherwise…It’s true that experts, including Medicare’s chief actuary, doubt that some of those spending cuts will actually be implemented. But if they are, Medicare would spend less each year than it had been expected to otherwise, allowing Medicare to stretch further the income it receives from payroll taxes and premiums.”

5). Ryan claimed 6 studies guarantee that the Romney tax cut math adds up.

The Truth: FactCheck.org found that there aren’t 6 studies. There aren’t five studies. In fact, there are no studies, “But the five “studies” aren’t all studies and none of them was nonpartisan. Of the three that could be considered studies, two were written by Romney campaign advisers and a third was written by a former economic adviser to President George W. Bush.”
http://www.politicususa.com/paul-ryans- ... ebate.html

Any thoughts on these?