Another Reason we Need a Change in the White House

is it more effective to punish bad behavior (penalties for shipping jobs and plants overseas) or reward good behavior (tax breaks for those who keep jobs and manufacturing here)?

The "reward" legislation is sitting on the table right now... Tax breaks for bringing jobs back, hiring U.S. workers, keeping them hired for at least 2 years...

Guess who won't let it pass?

Democracy4Sale wrote: The "reward" legislation is sitting on the table right now... Tax breaks for bringing jobs back, hiring U.S. workers, keeping them hired for at least 2 years...

Guess who won't let it pass?

Obama? Because he would rather campaign and run on a "do nothing Congress" than actually negotiate with the legislature.

Has he ever addressed what will happen after his re-election that will change Congress so that they will start working with him? I didn't think so.

Gee, I'm sorry... You lose.... Or, more to the point, the American People lose--which is what you wanted all along. You don't "negotiate" with people have already declared that their purpose is NOT to negotiate, but stop anything you do.

But thanks for playing.

Democracy4Sale wrote:
But thanks for playing.

Isn't that what Obama does? With a record number of golf games?

Obama hasn't halved the debt like he promised, but he has cut his handicap in half!
And America's handicap? Another possible four years of a politician who can't work deals with Congress.

Deflect much? The only thing missing is a Clinton/Lewinsky snark.

Since you seem to have a limited attention-span, here it is again:

The "reward" legislation is sitting on the table right now... Tax breaks for bringing jobs back, hiring U.S. workers, keeping them hired for at least 2 years...

Guess who won't let it pass?

Democracy4Sale wrote: Gee, I'm sorry... You lose.... Or, more to the point, the American People lose--which is what you wanted all along. You don't "negotiate" with people have already declared that their purpose is NOT to negotiate, but stop anything you do.

But thanks for playing.

Ignoring your customary slam....

Yes, you do negotiate, IF you actually were a leader. Chris Christie has shown you can force negotiations, IF you are right. Obama isn't a leader...so he can't do so.

archer wrote: is it more effective to punish bad behavior (penalties for shipping jobs and plants overseas) or reward good behavior (tax breaks for those who keep jobs and manufacturing here)?

Sometimes you really need to examine your talking points. How are they going to bring these jobs back? Apple doesn't import I-phones from Apple subsidiaries in Asia. They buy complete builds from independent contract manufacturers. If American contract manufacturers could do it for less, Apple would buy from them.
Or if Thailand can do it for less than China, Apple will buy from them.

Tax breaks to American corporations for keeping jobs here? So a new American company is formed to build TV's in Alabama. This new Zenith TV is twice the price of the Sanyo available at Wal-Mart. Do you give the tax breaks to the consumer to compensate them for buying a overpriced domestic TV? Or do you pay this Zenith company millions, like a new Solyandra, to sell a TV for less than cost to compete with that Sanyo?

So which plan is Obama advocating? No corporate income taxes on a company that makes those overpriced TV's no one buys? Not much of a carrot since they won't be making any profits, unless Obama sends them big checks.

FredHayek wrote:

archer wrote: is it more effective to punish bad behavior (penalties for shipping jobs and plants overseas) or reward good behavior (tax breaks for those who keep jobs and manufacturing here)?

Sometimes you really need to examine your talking points. How are they going to bring these jobs back? Apple doesn't import I-phones from Apple subsidiaries in Asia. They buy complete builds from independent contract manufacturers. If American contract manufacturers could do it for less, Apple would buy from them.
Or if Thailand can do it for less than China, Apple will buy from them.

Tax breaks to American corporations for keeping jobs here? So a new American company is formed to build TV's in Alabama. This new Zenith TV is twice the price of the Sanyo available at Wal-Mart. Do you give the tax breaks to the consumer to compensate them for buying a overpriced domestic TV? Or do you pay this Zenith company millions, like a new Solyandra, to sell a TV for less than cost to compete with that Sanyo?

So which plan is Obama advocating? No corporate income taxes on a company that makes those overpriced TV's no one buys? Not much of a carrot since they won't be making any profits, unless Obama sends them big checks.

not enough information to answer that question.....what is the difference in labor cost in US vs say China, what is the cost to ship from overseas, what about quality (Americans have shown they will pay a modest premium for higher quality and Made in the USA). there are many factors going into why jobs and manufacturing are outsourced....and no, government's job is not to make those factors equal but to use incentives/penalties to tip the scales back towards to US. I do think government has a role to play in making the US an attractive place to do business, while at the same time protecting US workers from unfair business practices. I also think the fed government can use it's power to discourage unfair trade practices of other countries. It's time we actually did some nation building here at home and let the rest of the world know that when it comes to our money and resources, the US citizens and businesses come first.

This winning new legislation from the Obama administration has been tabled. Supposedly by partisan Republicans. Maybe it was tabled because it was worthless?

It did come from the same administration that bankrolled Dems who couldn't make a profit with green energy. The same Team Obama which sold Chrysler to Fiat, a company that was going through their own bankruptcy less than a decade ago.

A new bill from the same people who were unable to reduce unemployment under 7.7% any time in the last 44 months.

A bill from people who created jobs costing 250K apiece.

Can we really afford to pass another jobs bill like that?

Sorry, just not a long tradition there of brilliant legislation coming out of Team Obama.