Bob Costas Anti Gun Rant on Sunday Night football last night

05 Dec 2012 09:54 #101 by Grady
Costas is backing out of his comments.

NBC's Bob Costas tells sports radio host Dan Patrick his anti-gun remarks on Sunday night were a mistake because 90 seconds wasn't enough time for him to "flesh out" what he meant to say so he was completely understood.

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BOB COSTAS: And for a long time, I’ve been wanting to get off my chest my disgust with this idea that every time something tragic happens, no matter what it may be, that in any way touches sports, there’s a chorus of people saying, 'You know, this really puts it in perspective.’ Which is a bunch of nonsense, because if that was true, we wouldn’t have to have that perspective readjusted every time the next tragedy occurs. It’s a bunch of nonsense.

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05 Dec 2012 09:58 #102 by Something the Dog Said
Actually private gun sales are not that rare, and would be the first option for someone not wanting to do a background check.

I have seen a number of offers of private gun sales just within this very website.

Do you think nymysys required a FFL when he sold his semi-auto on this website?
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I am quite sure that if you checked the ads in sites and/or periodicals that cater to gun enthusists that you could find all manner of semi-autos offered by private sellers.

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05 Dec 2012 10:23 #103 by FredHayek
As a percentage of gun sales, they are rare. Most firearms are sold in stores with background checks.

Anyone seen if the KC shooter got his gun this way?

But getting back to mis-statements or hyperbole from the press, has anyone ever been upset when they read an article about a subject they know well and it is full of inaccuracies about their industry? It can be very hard for reporters spending a couple hours on a story to get everything right, and an awful temptation to highlight the more extreme parts.

Double frustration when you realize most of the other readers of the article are going to accept the inaccuracies as fact. One of my buddies works in the railroad industry and he just seethes when he reads press about the industry because they get so much wrong.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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05 Dec 2012 10:32 #104 by RenegadeCJ

Something the Dog Said wrote: Actually private gun sales are not that rare, and would be the first option for someone not wanting to do a background check.

I have seen a number of offers of private gun sales just within this very website.

Do you think nymysys required a FFL when he sold his semi-auto on this website?
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I am quite sure that if you checked the ads in sites and/or periodicals that cater to gun enthusists that you could find all manner of semi-autos offered by private sellers.


Guns are readily available on the black market for anyone who wants them. I would venture to say most private sales of firearms like on this site aren't used in crimes.

Too bad future generations aren't here to see all the great things we are spending their $$ on!!

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05 Dec 2012 10:38 #105 by LadyJazzer
They've already stated that the gun the K.C. shooter had was legal... That is NOT the issue--and never was.

The OP was about Bob Costas talking about "the culture of guns"... PERIOD... And we DO have a "culture of guns"... This isn't about legal vs. illegal.

Nice attempt at deflection though.

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05 Dec 2012 10:57 #106 by cydl
Many private sales involve a background check anyway as the same rules apply to a private firearm sale as do to a retail sale. I've seen many posts where the (private) seller requires, for example, a valid ccw permit be shown by the buyer (implying the background check) before the sale can be completed. Most of the folks I know would not make a private sale w/o some sort of check to anyone but a very close relative.

Of course, criminals buy and sell firearms freely without the bother of background checks.

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05 Dec 2012 11:16 #107 by Something the Dog Said
And despite the attempts at deflection, private sales of firearms instate are not subject to FFL or background checks. But you knew that anyway.

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05 Dec 2012 11:19 #108 by FredHayek
Like Cydl, if I do a private sale, I know the guy pretty well, I will make out a bill of sale, with date, driver's license, serial # of the firearm. And if the guy doesn't want to do this, I won't sell him the gun. Just not worth the hassle is you sell it to a character like that.

And the people who have bought from me welcome the bill of sale, and the copy I give them.

But back to Costas and his gun culture, sure there is a gun culture and it seems to be even more present in professional athletics. But I wouldn't prevent them from buying guns if they were legally able to do it.

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05 Dec 2012 11:40 #109 by cydl

Something the Dog Said wrote: And despite the attempts at deflection, private sales of firearms instate are not subject to FFL or background checks. But you knew that anyway.


No deflection here; I'm simply attempting to explain that law-abiding firearms owners tend to adhere to policies and procedures to keep their privately sold firearms out of criminal hands and keep themselves out of trouble with the law - a fact with which you are obviously unaware.

Sales of privately owned posessions are just that. Privately owned pneumatic nail guns also require no background check (to name just one item of a myraid of items that could be used as a weapon) - where do you draw the line? How much government intervention do you wish to have in private sales?

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05 Dec 2012 13:22 - 05 Dec 2012 13:24 #110 by Jekyll
I really wish Crow Hill Armory guy was still around. He would put a lot of the anti gun propoganda to bed. First of all, even a private dealer needs to run background checks to save his OWN ass. If he doesn't he's risking serious legal back lash. Any stats people bring up regarding private sales not requiring or flat out not DOING background checks need to go get a catscan and see what their head is filled with. Tell you why: Because the only way you could possibly get an accurate number of people buying privately without a background check would be if every person(s) that participated in that reported the numbers accurately. Get outta here!!! Criminetlies. "Polls" like that are scavenger food. Secondy, yes, there is a black market, EVERYWHERE you go. Squash that biz and then you'll have some weight, but we all know that isn't going to happen. Fact is, the right to bear arms (with the exception of a LOT of different firearms) is legal, and until it isn't, senseless trajedies will happen. This is such a tired argument.

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