Something the Dog Said wrote: And despite the attempts at deflection, private sales of firearms instate are not subject to FFL or background checks. But you knew that anyway.
No deflection here; I'm simply attempting to explain that law-abiding firearms owners tend to adhere to policies and procedures to keep their privately sold firearms out of criminal hands and keep themselves out of trouble with the law - a fact with which you are obviously unaware.
Sales of privately owned posessions are just that. Privately owned pneumatic nail guns also require no background check (to name just one item of a myraid of items that could be used as a weapon) - where do you draw the line? How much government intervention do you wish to have in private sales?
Without truly incorruptable numbers, we won't have perfect accuracy, but if there's a lot of private dealers reporting the background checks, at least that's a start.
Also on my mind now. What business, in their right mind, would proudly say to everyone that they don't require a background check for a dangerous weapon? Just curious....
Private gun sales have been legal for hundreds of years in America and doesn't seem to have any correlation to murder rates, murder rates spiked in the 1960's and have been declining.
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Just some perspective on my end. I have a friend who knows of an 18 year old that committed suicide last weekend. It was his roommate's son. This is just hours before this NFL incident. So he hears about this and check's his gun safe and sure enough it was his gun that the kid used to do it. He stole it. Now, we live in the US and there are already millions of guns in circulation. So, even if you believe it would help to outlaw guns it would be impossible to regulate. And it would put the guns in the hands of the criminals and not law abiding citizens . So, it just does not work but you know something I have noticed? I think this suicide thing is getting worse as well. It used to be that media did not report suicides because the mental professionals believed it could cause copy cat problems and I notice now that we are hearing more and more about suicides on the internet and media including social media. Now, we have this horrific thing in the NFL and all the kids heard about it and emulate these players.
Deal with the societal problem because you cannot lock up every person and all steak knives. I always said I would not let my son play with toy guns. I gave in when he was five why? Because, my son didn't need toy guns he started using granola bars and bananas pretending they were guns. It is much better to teach the dangers and how to safely own a gun. You cannot just take these things away. I know some of you love the France way of doing things but we live in the USA. Find another solution and don't paint all those that own a gun as a murdering knuckle dragger. That is a start.
CinnamonGirl wrote: Just some perspective on my end. I have a friend who knows of an 18 year old that committed suicide last weekend. It was his roommate's son. This is just hours before this NFL incident. So he hears about this and check's his gun safe and sure enough it was his gun that the kid used to do it. He stole it. Now, we live in the US and there are already millions of guns in circulation. So, even if you believe it would help to outlaw guns it would be impossible to regulate. And it would put the guns in the hands of the criminals and not law abiding citizens . So, it just does not work but you know something I have noticed? I think this suicide thing is getting worse as well. It used to be that media did not report suicides because the mental professionals believed it could cause copy cat problems and I notice now that we are hearing more and more about suicides on the internet and media including social media. Now, we have this horrific thing in the NFL and all the kids heard about it and emulate these players.
Deal with the societal problem because you cannot lock up every person and all steak knives. I always said I would not let my son play with toy guns. I gave in when he was five why? Because, my son didn't need toy guns he started using granola bars and bananas pretending they were guns. It is much better to teach the dangers and how to safely own a gun. You cannot just take these things away. I know some of you love the France way of doing things but we live in the USA. Find another solution and don't paint all those that own a gun as a murdering knuckle dragger. That is a start.
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Also, I think the reason more people commit suicide is it's an "easy way out." I had a friend six months ago that took his life with his girlfriends gun. She didn't have the gun secure and there was a whole lot more to the story. Tragic, but I still hold firm on my opinions about guns.
I have no idea, I was responding to Fred's comment that Costa was a maroon for saying that you could buy semi-auto weapons through the mail, when clearly it is legal to do so, and does happen.
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FredHayek wrote: Like Cydl, if I do a private sale, I know the guy pretty well, I will make out a bill of sale, with date, driver's license, serial # of the firearm. And if the guy doesn't want to do this, I won't sell him the gun. Just not worth the hassle is you sell it to a character like that.
And the people who have bought from me welcome the bill of sale, and the copy I give them.
But back to Costas and his gun culture, sure there is a gun culture and it seems to be even more present in professional athletics. But I wouldn't prevent them from buying guns if they were legally able to do it.
Do you do a background check and require a FFL?
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