NRA Conference: LaPierre Calls for Armed Cops every school

27 Dec 2012 07:34 #81 by chickaree
Just to put my two cents in; talking to many educators over the holidays, they were all appalled by the idea. They had no wish to be armed and doubted their ability to kill another human. People that go into education are often loving, gentle souls. It's more complicated than just arming everyone. Politicians like to go for the easy, one liners. Most of us know it is harder than that.

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27 Dec 2012 07:41 #82 by LadyJazzer
I want LESS GUNS...Not MORE GUNS... What part of that are you having trouble with?

And putting armed guards in every school is a recipe for disaster... Unless, of course, the NRA is going to foot the bill--not only for the armed guards but for the liability insurance that would have to be carried for such a stupid endeavor.

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27 Dec 2012 07:47 - 27 Dec 2012 09:44 #83 by FredHayek

LadyJazzer wrote: I want LESS GUNS...Not MORE GUNS... What part of that are you having trouble with?

And putting armed guards in every school is a recipe for disaster... Unless, of course, the NRA is going to foot the bill--not only for the armed guards but for the liability insurance that would have to be carried for such a stupid endeavor.


How to foot the bill? Get rid of the US department of education. What do they do anyway?

And only in your fairyland world can you really think that if schools don't have guns, school shootings will stop. If you look at most shootings like this, they happen in "gun free zones". And BTW Connecticut already has an assault weapons ban.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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27 Dec 2012 08:28 #84 by LadyJazzer
Only in your wacko gun-nut world can you think we're going to arm every school, every movie theater complex, every mall, ad nauseum...

You tried that "Get rid of the Dept of Education" b.s.... Didn't you get the memo? YOU LOST THE ELECTION. Your bat-sh*t-crazy ideas got rejected...SOUNDLY.

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27 Dec 2012 08:30 #85 by Photo-fish
Putting guards in school will cost waaay too much. How to foot the bill? Maybe add tax to guns and ammo?
Now how do you pick and chose who will do this guarding? How do you weed out the potential of a 'guard' from going nuts and becoming a killer? Who guards us from the armed guards if they go whacko?

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27 Dec 2012 08:54 #86 by ZHawke

archer wrote: Who pays for these guards? Our schools and cities are running on slim budgets already......Here in AZ they want to train and arm all the principals, the parents, as conservative as they are, and as gun friendly as this state is, are saying no way......only a professional police officer should be allowed to carry a firearm into a school.....they are trained not only on how to handle the fire arm, but on how to recognize different situations, diffuse possibly dangerous situations, and how to protect their weapon from it being taken from them. A Principal simply is not....nor would they have the time for the frequent retraining necessary. These are their kids, and they don't want amateurs doing the protecting, they want professionals. But, of course, there is no money for police in every school. So the legislature, in its infinite wisdom, wants to protect the kids on the cheap, and make principals into part time police.


Good points, Archer. I'd also add that the principals and teachers, even if they did agree to carry weapons on school campuses, would merit "hazard pay". So, it's not a "win-win" situation as so many would try to have us believe. Also, some attorneys have come out and indicated the liability issues alone would be cost prohibitive. Allowing the public to concealed carry on campus must also factor in their level of training, their "mental state", their "ability" to meet deadly force with deadly force calmly and with the very same "eye" for recognizing different situations that a trained police officer would use.

There are no "one-size fits all" solutions to this very complex issue. It's going to take a joint effort whether we recognize and accept that fact or not. Thus far, I'm not seeing that from very many people, particularly from those who adhere to their steadfast refusal to entertain any rational discussion of possible regulations on guns that might help reduce gun violence in this country.

By the same token, it is my opinion that "total elimination" of these type of tragedies is virtually impossible. So, it is ultimately up to us, as a society, to determine the best path for the highest good of all concerned.

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27 Dec 2012 09:00 #87 by FredHayek
Meanwhile the department of education has a budget in the 10's of billions of dollars. While our schools are cutting back. Time to cut it and disperse the funds.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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27 Dec 2012 09:11 #88 by ZHawke

Photo-fish wrote: Putting guards in school will cost waaay too much. How to foot the bill? Maybe add tax to guns and ammo?
Now how do you pick and chose who will do this guarding? How do you weed out the potential of a 'guard' from going nuts and becoming a killer? Who guards us from the armed guards if they go whacko?


I agree it'll cost. I'm not so sure I agree, however, that the cost will be way too much. What price must we place on the safety of our children? I posted this link before, and I'm posting it again as a reminder of the School Safety Resource Officer Program. In Jeffco, there are currently ten school resource officers that cover 56 public schools and 6 charter schools in unincorporated Jefferson County.
http://www.nasro.org/

I'm also going to share a link to the Jeffco website discussing some of the measures that might be taken to help address these issues:
http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?llr=s8rpfmcab&v=001uL0S282vi34voH_GQXoOsZGcIz9UEw0D48-vHxaeRChcPob3_ydIB5h2yiNHbnbwLrPnyg4g69wuXov6-Hl5SthDrE1NUmptSDI1mi10D7Y06urMTWxDumW1j8FSLrvDivIhDm_lVpSMPRcAUJxw1bsLBpVWiV17JNuo11Xbs1U%3D

Simply stated, school safety is a very complex issue. The key is for all of us to understand and accept that fact. If, and/or when, we can reach that point, it will be up to us to come to some kind of consensus together.

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27 Dec 2012 09:46 #89 by FredHayek
Sh. We will call the school guards cattle guards and make it part of Obama's stimulus plan and then LJ will sign onto it.

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27 Dec 2012 09:56 #90 by LadyJazzer
I will NEVER sign on to the idea of turning our schools, malls, theater complexes, ad nauseum, into armed fortresses...

The Dept of Education will not go away...(Thank god)... Did you get the memo?...You LOST THE ELECTION.

And just because Obama does something does not mean I automatically sign on to it.

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