The End of School Gun Free Zones ?

Thanks, SC

For those who might be interested, here's a link to a page that defines "gun free zones", not that they are the final arbiter in any of this, but it does give a bit of "perspective" regarding their intended use. http://definitions.uslegal.com/g/gun-free-zone/ And it doesn't talk at all about how a "sign" may or may not prevent a school shooting. Rather, it talks about "legal recourse" in the event of unlicensed carry and domestic issues. There are others, but these are the two I picked up on.

Yeah, SC. He's (Jim Wright) also a retired Navy veteran very well trained in the use of weaponry of all sorts (not that that makes him any more or less of an expert than some on 285Bound).

I like him too...and here is the one I was saving:

You can quote Thomas Jefferson to me all damned day and if you engage in armed rebellion against the government and you win, well then history will call you a Founding Father and a patriot. But if you lose, history will call you a traitor and spit on you grave. A hundred years ago we Americans settled this question once and for all, we called it the Civil War.

Guns may not kill people, but one hell of a lot of people are dying while idiots argue over empty phrases, semantics, and NRA sound bites.

I’ll grant you that people kill people, but guns make it a wholesale operation.

This is what happens when you take God out of the schools. Which god? Every god I’ve ever heard of has plenty of blood on his holy hands. If you’re looking for an example of non-violence, the guy who drops people into pits of boiling pitch for all eternity and slaughters the first born sons of an entire nation probably isn’t your best choice. I’m just saying.

This is what happens when you take God out of the schools. This is another baseless idiotic statement, not provable, not falsifiable, it’s something people pull out of their asses when they don’t have an actual argument of their own. "God"--There, I win.

This is what happens when you kick God out of school. Really? Are you kidding me? What? God got kicked out of school for behaving like an argumentative disrespectful intolerant miscreant, as a result he grew up into a sick twisted sociopath and decided to kill twenty children because He didn’t get His way? Is that about right?

It’s just another form of denial.

Here's something to ponder: given all the discussion raging everywhere regarding the "elimination of gun free zones", why don't we consider focusing on what could be done to enhance their effectiveness instead?

LadyJazzer wrote:

This is what happens when you take God out of the schools. Which god? Every god I’ve ever heard of has plenty of blood on his holy hands. If you’re looking for an example of non-violence, the guy who drops people into pits of boiling pitch for all eternity and slaughters the first born sons of an entire nation probably isn’t your best choice. I’m just saying.

This is what happens when you take God out of the schools. This is another baseless idiotic statement, not provable, not falsifiable, it’s something people pull out of their asses when they don’t have an actual argument of their own. "God"--There, I win.

This is what happens when you kick God out of school. Really? Are you kidding me? What? God got kicked out of school for behaving like an argumentative disrespectful intolerant miscreant, as a result he grew up into a sick twisted sociopath and decided to kill twenty children because He didn’t get His way? Is that about right?

It’s just another form of denial.

Sorry, God (at least the God of the Bible) did none of these things, nor is He responsible for the evil attributed to Him in these statements. If you doubt this then you need to really read what His Word says. Man did and continues to do these things, and sometimes becomes such an influence for evil that God decides enough is enough.

What taking God out of the schools did was remove moral and civil guidance and allow relativism to take hold. Remove absolute truth and anything goes. Remove a positive, Holy set of rules and it creates a society where people feel its just fine to do unto others as they see fit. Similar to the Supreme Court being unable to define pornography and opening the flood gates for that negative influence on our population. Similar to the influence FPS games have on the minds of the youth. God in schools set the framework for a society where morality and civility were respected, even if not fully followed. If you read the works of Marx, Lenin, or Hitler it is said that in order to control the masses you need to first remove any measure of absolute truth so as to allow them to be swayed as desired. In order to make truth relative and malleable you have to first remove absolute truth.

Only God has the ability to change a heart and set one on the right path. Take Him out of life and we loose guidance beyond "that's how I feel." Without God we have no absolute truth, we have only our personal warped viewpoint. It isn't what we often want to hear so as to feel good, but its God's truth.

Blessings,

Another example of unintended consequences on gun free zones? Intended as a way to prosecute people for bringing weapons into a building it actually decreases the chances of stopping a psycho shooter.

ZHawke wrote: Here's something to ponder: given all the discussion raging everywhere regarding the "elimination of gun free zones", why don't we consider focusing on what could be done to enhance their effectiveness instead?

I can remember the first time I saw a "Gun Free Zone" sign and remember quietly thinking to myself how such a sign might seem like a beacon of hope to someone planning catastrophe. As it turned out, I was eventually and sadly correct on this. But thinking objectively I'd say that to increase effectiveness obviously certain measures must be taken. Can't exactly walk into a courtroom carrying, so I'd suggest metal detectors. (And although I know the counter-point to this, I'd like to say that when I attended school in Florida in the late 80s we did actually have metal detectors, and it really didn't seem to be much of an issue at all. Wasn't a detractor to our "being kids" state of mind.) So that's one possibility.

WarrenK wrote: What taking God out of the schools did was remove moral and civil guidance and allow relativism to take hold. Only God has the ability to change a heart and set one on the right path. .

With all due respect Warren, I'm not of a Christian based religion and would have taken offense if someone in school started telling me that my own beliefs are wrong and probably would have gotten quite aggressive if I were forced to study about a religion that is NOT my own. By all means make a Christian bible accessible in school libraries so that those wishing to read it may do so. And while I never omitted "Under God" while reciting our Pledge of Allegience to our country, I merely accepted it to mean 'within high esteem of my gods'.

WarrenK wrote: Take Him out of life and we loose guidance beyond "that's how I feel." Without God we have no absolute truth, we have only our personal warped viewpoint. It isn't what we often want to hear so as to feel good, but its God's truth

While I'm glad you have your faith and it makes you feel good, who are you to tell me that what I believe in is wrong? Again with all due respect, the "truth" can be percieved in many different ways, it doesn't necessarily make any of them wrong. I have many friends who tend to hold beliefs toward Christian based ideals, few of them ever realized I didn't, unless they directly asked and none of them have ever questioned my loyalty to them or any situation requiring heart-felt conviction. Simply put, differences of "truth" do not make a person bad, and unless those differences are voiced, some might never know otherwise. Hail and blessings to you Warren, welcome to the forum. And until swords part, we shall meet again.


Badger

Only the deer-patty in my yard has the power... As I quoted previously:

This is what happens when you take God out of the schools. Which god? Every god I’ve ever heard of has plenty of blood on his holy hands. If you’re looking for an example of non-violence, the guy who drops people into pits of boiling pitch for all eternity and slaughters the first born sons of an entire nation probably isn’t your best choice. I’m just saying.

This is what happens when you take God out of the schools. This is another baseless idiotic statement, not provable, not falsifiable, it’s something people pull out of their asses when they don’t have an actual argument of their own. "God..."--There, I win.

This is what happens when you kick God out of school. Really? Are you kidding me? What? God got kicked out of school for behaving like an argumentative disrespectful intolerant miscreant, as a result he grew up into a sick twisted sociopath and decided to kill twenty children because He didn’t get His way? Is that about right?

It’s just another form of denial.

Uh-huh....