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And so it begins
02 Apr 2013 14:27 #22
by ScienceChic
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Replied by ScienceChic on topic And so it begins
I'm sorry Renegade, if that's how it came across, but a flippant attitude is certainly not the attitude that I have regarding the 2nd Amendment. I was at the last 285 Tea Party meeting, I listened to Sheriff Wegener and Sheriff Mink scoff at these laws and how they see almost no way that they will be enforceable, and tell us that every sheriff in the state of CO voted against these laws and were not even consulted about how to enforce them before they were passed so I highly doubt that lawful gun owners are now going to automatically become "criminals" - I see that as pure hysteria that interested parties have in flaming up in people right now.
Again, some legislators may want to "go there" on taking away all guns, but do you seriously see that happening in this country in our lifetime? Is this something worth worrying about while keeping that thought in mind? You may consider it flippant, I consider it practical and reality-based. I just don't get worked up over that which is unlikely to pass.
I disagree that the 2nd Amendment protects all the others - what protects us the most is our right to vote, not our guns - we have the power to affect legislation through our representatives in a peaceful manner, which for some reason many have lost faith in that they can make a difference, but our system is still built upon that and nothing has indicated that it will change anytime soon. We have far more to fear from our own stupid short-sightedness and destructive human tendencies in the natural world than we ever do an anarchy occurring in this country.
Again, some legislators may want to "go there" on taking away all guns, but do you seriously see that happening in this country in our lifetime? Is this something worth worrying about while keeping that thought in mind? You may consider it flippant, I consider it practical and reality-based. I just don't get worked up over that which is unlikely to pass.
I disagree that the 2nd Amendment protects all the others - what protects us the most is our right to vote, not our guns - we have the power to affect legislation through our representatives in a peaceful manner, which for some reason many have lost faith in that they can make a difference, but our system is still built upon that and nothing has indicated that it will change anytime soon. We have far more to fear from our own stupid short-sightedness and destructive human tendencies in the natural world than we ever do an anarchy occurring in this country.
And? Who listens to an actor about health issues, much less gun issues, and assumes they are an expert? Especially one who spews that junk because his model/actress ex-wife brainwashed him into it? I hope you're smarter than that TLGT.The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:
Science Chic wrote: That's just silly!
And you should be more careful with that paper, it is dangerous you know!
Ok... how about those DANGEROUS vaccines...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jim-carre ... 89777.html
Jim Carrey... the big anti-gun jerk... this makes him sound like a Luddite.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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02 Apr 2013 16:12 #28
by gmule
It was at the end of the original link posted http://www.shootingwire.com/story/284042
According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, hunters and shooters, as well as the firearms industry, play a major role in Colorado's economy. There is over $590 million in annual revenue generated by the firearms industry in the state while Colorado's 259,200 hunters spend another $465 million annually.
That is almost 1 billion dollars of revenue.
If this boycott gains enough traction we will feel the effects in one way or another.
Replied by gmule on topic And so it begins
Science Chic wrote:
Some tourism-related businesses will be in the short-term, for sure, but I was talking about gun manufacturers specifically. What percentage of their sales are directly impacted by these laws, which from everything I've been hearing and reading, aren't enforceable anyway?frogger wrote:
because it's not like these laws are all that restrictive and will harm business -
What makes you think businesses won't be hurt?People get over their outrage. Businesses move in where there's a market and they can make money, especially after time has passed and the furor died down; it's human nature. The majority of tourists who come here are going to continue to do so because they love what Colorado has to offer - there's a lot more to tourism than hunting. Please remember, I'm a big picture, evolution-based analysis girlfrogger wrote: ....also....what makes you believe people will move here to fill the void?
- laws don't effectively impact consumer behavior nearly as much as supply and demand, and as long as there are gun owners here, they will buy their supplies wherever they can find them, whether here in CO or across state lines; and companies will still make those supplies, whether here or across state lines. And as long as owning guns is still legal, and hunting is still legal, people will still own guns and still hunt - these are far from "we're taking all your guns from you" laws (that's a whole 'nother issue
Has anyone done any studies on how much tourism is based on gun-related activities, or how these laws will directly impact tourism and consumer spending on weapons? I just don't think anyone can assume that it's going to be as bad as I keep hearing it will be until the laws are implemented and the effects measured.
It was at the end of the original link posted http://www.shootingwire.com/story/284042
According to the National Shooting Sports Foundation, hunters and shooters, as well as the firearms industry, play a major role in Colorado's economy. There is over $590 million in annual revenue generated by the firearms industry in the state while Colorado's 259,200 hunters spend another $465 million annually.
That is almost 1 billion dollars of revenue.
If this boycott gains enough traction we will feel the effects in one way or another.
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