FredHayek wrote: The goverment admits there were abuses but that isn't good enough, Dog will only accept evidence the Republicans find. Isn't the State much more trustworthy than Darrell Issa in your world?
Oh wait, if the Republicans did find evidence in testimony, you would just call it grandstanding anyway.
FYI you are welcome although I would think you would be embarrassed to have this thread still alive.
No... I'm embarrassed that you said that there was NO wrongdoing found.
That a prior internal audit found that certain keyword searches for similar applications should not be used? That is your "wrongdoing" that justifies hundreds of thousands of taxpayer money for kabuki theater hearings intended to solely advance political agendas with no basis in fact. That these "high value" information hearings that you spent hours watching diligently found no evidence of wrongdoing despite desperate attempts to portray out of context depositions as "smoking guns" until Issa was embarrassed with the release of the entire interviews? That you don't find embarrassing?
Edited to add:
So you are comparing American citizens with the perpetrators of the Holocaust solely based on the use of keywords to group similar applications together? And you are not embarrassed?
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
FredHayek wrote: The goverment admits there were abuses but that isn't good enough, Dog will only accept evidence the Republicans find. Isn't the State much more trustworthy than Darrell Issa in your world?
Oh wait, if the Republicans did find evidence in testimony, you would just call it grandstanding anyway.
So the only "wrongdoing" was found by an internal audit that was using inappropriate terms for keyword searches to find similar applications. That despite your and your doppelganger buddy to turn that into a White House directed "goon squad" (using your terms) to quash the entire Tea Party movement, not a single iota of evidence was found that the White House had any link to the IRS policies in determining whose applications would be closely examined. and you and tweedledummer are not embarrassed?
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
Knowing how slow Congress moves, it might be some time before they provide evidence. Especially when you have IRS employees pleading the 5th. If they are innocent, wouldn't they want to tell the truth instead of refusing to to answer questions. If the mob & the IRS are using the same tactics to avoid implicating themselves...
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Is that all that you have Fred? Really? A witness who has been threatened with criminal prosecution by Issa takes the advice of her attorney not to talk. Particularly when it has become evident that Issa is manipulating witness testimony to further his political agenda without regard to the truth? Would you testify under oath under such a star proceeding, with no ability for cross examination or to put your testimony in proper context? Just at the mercy of a political hack who has already made it clear that he is out to get you?
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
FredHayek wrote: The goverment admits there were abuses but that isn't good enough, Dog will only accept evidence the Republicans find. Isn't the State much more trustworthy than Darrell Issa in your world?
Oh wait, if the Republicans did find evidence in testimony, you would just call it grandstanding anyway.
So the only "wrongdoing" was found by an internal audit that was using inappropriate terms for keyword searches to find similar applications. That despite your and your doppelganger buddy to turn that into a White House directed "goon squad" (using your terms) to quash the entire Tea Party movement, not a single iota of evidence was found that the White House had any link to the IRS policies in determining whose applications would be closely examined. and you and tweedledummer are not embarrassed?
Only...
FINDINGS
IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of other objective criteria.
Ineffective management allowed the following to occur:
Inappropriate criteria was developed that stayed in place for more than 18 months.
About 1/3 of the applications subjected to additional processing included Tea Party, Patriots or 9/12 in their names.
Resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications.
All applications that included the inappropriate criteria experienced substantial delays in processing.
The majority of the impacted applications sat without any work done on them for 13 months.
28 applications were withdrawn given the length of time taken to process.
160 out of the 196 applications reviewed by TIGTA were open from 206 to 1138 calendar days which crossed two election cycles and spanned 3 years.
Allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued and then later informed some of those groups that they did not need to provide the information which was previously requested.
TIGTA determined that the additional information requests sent out to 98 of 170 (58 percent) organizations that received those requests were unnecessary.
Examples of unnecessary questions included:
names of donors
list of all issues important to the organization and the position of the organization on those issues
the political affiliation of the officer, director, speakers, candidates supported, etc.
You're rather uninformed about this issue. Maybe you should get a life and start watching more committee meetings.
FredHayek wrote: The goverment admits there were abuses but that isn't good enough, Dog will only accept evidence the Republicans find. Isn't the State much more trustworthy than Darrell Issa in your world?
Oh wait, if the Republicans did find evidence in testimony, you would just call it grandstanding anyway.
So the only "wrongdoing" was found by an internal audit that was using inappropriate terms for keyword searches to find similar applications. That despite your and your doppelganger buddy to turn that into a White House directed "goon squad" (using your terms) to quash the entire Tea Party movement, not a single iota of evidence was found that the White House had any link to the IRS policies in determining whose applications would be closely examined. and you and tweedledummer are not embarrassed?
Only...
FINDINGS
IRS used inappropriate criteria that identified for review organizations applying for tax-exempt status based upon their names or policy positions instead of other objective criteria.
Ineffective management allowed the following to occur:
Inappropriate criteria was developed that stayed in place for more than 18 months.
About 1/3 of the applications subjected to additional processing included Tea Party, Patriots or 9/12 in their names.
Resulted in substantial delays in processing certain applications.
All applications that included the inappropriate criteria experienced substantial delays in processing.
The majority of the impacted applications sat without any work done on them for 13 months.
28 applications were withdrawn given the length of time taken to process.
160 out of the 196 applications reviewed by TIGTA were open from 206 to 1138 calendar days which crossed two election cycles and spanned 3 years.
Allowed unnecessary information requests to be issued and then later informed some of those groups that they did not need to provide the information which was previously requested.
TIGTA determined that the additional information requests sent out to 98 of 170 (58 percent) organizations that received those requests were unnecessary.
Examples of unnecessary questions included:
names of donors
list of all issues important to the organization and the position of the organization on those issues
the political affiliation of the officer, director, speakers, candidates supported, etc.
You're rather uninformed about this issue. Maybe you should get a life and start watching more committee meetings.
Mother Jones chooses to shield Dog and its other readers from any info that would imply govermental bias against conservatives or religious charities?
Maybe Dog chooses not to watch actual testimony because she prefers her news chewed up and digested before it is fed to her. "Tell me how to interpet this, please?"
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Like I said, inappropriate keywords used. And for you that is sufficient to compare American citizens with the perpetrators of the Holocaust. Real class act.
"Remember to always be yourself. Unless you can be batman. Then always be batman." Unknown
Something the Dog Said wrote: Like I said, inappropriate keywords used.
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You're correct... inappropriate keywords used... which lead to inappropriate questions, inappropriate delays in approval/denial, inappropriate additional processing... and led to the head of IRS stepping down, Lerner pleading the 5th, connections to the Washington DC IRS office... nothing to get upset about.
(P.S. Fred's a jerk)
I'm 6 miles north of the fire... if it turns back on itself... I probably won't be able to waste any more of my time on Dog.
Something the Dog Said wrote: So you are comparing American citizens with the perpetrators of the Holocaust solely based on the use of keywords to group similar applications together? And you are not embarrassed?
Yes... and are you "sarcastically challenged?" Take a free university course on rhetoric or something. And you're not going to deflect me from the subject at hand... oh... I know you will try... but I'll ignore it.
"Tell me how to interpet this, please?"
