ACA (Obamacare) updates for 2014

I suppose ALLOW is the key word here, somebody in government will "allow" us to do something at some point in the future, for some period of time, that they will DECIDE.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRX4FtIw6vNBqWhePxvv0aUzVydFMm01XyxYX1snTeVSUm4cIqr

Welcome to the Union of American Socialist Republics, the Gubment will provide all that you need and decide what "all that you need" really means. Now shut up, sit down, surrender your will and your wealth, you'll be told what, when, and how to do what your Gubment demands from you. Comply and you'll be rewarded just like everyone else who complies with equal shares of what has been confiscated from the former private citizens of America. Resist and risk being "re-educated" or "removed from society" if you try to play hard ball.

Barney Frank speaks up about the ACA and Obama:

“The rollout was so bad, and I was appalled–I don’t understand how the president could have sat there and not been checking on that on a weekly basis,” Frank said. “But frankly, he should never have said as much as he did, that if you like your current health care plan, you can keep it. That wasn’t true. And you shouldn’t lie to people. And they just lied to people.”

“He should have said, ‘Look, in some cases the health care plans that you’ve got are really inadequate, and in your own interests, we’re going to change them.’ But that’s not what he said,” Frank stated.

And then Barney let us know that telling the whole truth isn't one of his strong points either:

“My political motto, very simple,” Frank said. “I have always told the truth, and nothing but the truth. But I don’t volunteer the whole truth in every situation.”

I think a better motto would be "politicians and presidents shouldn't lie to people, PERIOD."

americaswatchtower.com/2014/08/03/barney...d-about-obamacare-2/

Well its great to see ol Barney Frankfurter being so "Frank" now that the bum doesn't need to get re-elected anymore and is retired, enjoying his nice Congressional golden parachute retirement bennys.

The rest of us get to enjoy the BS mandates, tax reporting, qualifying life event updates, and crumbling over-priced mandatory no-choice, narrowing networks HC system going forward. Yippie!

Where was Barney when all of this was happening? No where to be found.

Uh, I think He was voting Yay on the ACA after not reading it, and not calling out the lies, er "not volunteering all the truth in every situation".

And also working on fixing up his other screwups on Housing and subprime Mortgages, etc, etc.

WITHHOLDING information is rampant in real life.it's why we (collectively) generally don't have a chance
at making GOOD decisions,you can ATTEMPT to do the research (if you have the time) and THEN hope
like hell it's the right one...(generally it's a crap shoot,I have found)....wasn't always that way,tho.
Core values WERE a factor back then ( it was called "doing the right thing")....JMO

The recent Benghazi Report being a prime example.

homeagain wrote: WITHHOLDING information is rampant in real life.it's why we (collectively) generally don't have a chance
at making GOOD decisions,you can ATTEMPT to do the research (if you have the time) and THEN hope
like hell it's the right one...(generally it's a crap shoot,I have found)....wasn't always that way,tho.
Core values WERE a factor back then ( it was called "doing the right thing")....JMO

GOP isn't buying it.

Benghazi probe presses ahead despite new report
(CNN) -- The GOP-led House Select Committee on the Benghazi terror attack shows no sign of backing down despite a report from another congressional panel that, according to a top Democrat, found no intelligence failures around the deadly 2012 assault.
"There is more work to be done and more to be investigated," a spokeswoman for House Select Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy told CNN on Wednesday.

www.cnn.com/2014/08/06/politics/benghazi...committee/index.html

Now it all makes sense!


From the architect of the {UN}Affordable Care Act:

Seventy-five. That is all I want to live. But if I am not going to engage in euthanasia or suicide, and I won’t, is this all just idle chatter? Don’t I lack the courage of my convictions?

No. My view does have important practical implications. One is personal and two involve policy.

Once I have lived to 75, my approach to my health care will completely change. I won’t actively end my life. But I won’t try to prolong it, either. Today, when the doctor recommends a test or treatment, especially one that will extend our lives, it becomes incumbent upon us to give a good reason why we don’t want it. The momentum of medicine and family means we will almost invariably get it.

We should all be good citizens of the collective like this guy. I'm guessing that when we reach the inevitable goal of the ACA,(single payer) we won't have a choice. The architect of the ACA obviously wants us all not to live too long (where have I heard that before?)

I am talking about how long I want to live and the kind and amount of health care I will consent to after 75. Americans seem to be obsessed with exercising, doing mental puzzles, consuming various juice and protein concoctions, sticking to strict diets, and popping vitamins and supplements, all in a valiant effort to cheat death and prolong life as long as possible. This has become so pervasive that it now defines a cultural type: what I call the American immortal.

www.theatlantic.com/features/archive/201...to-die-at-75/379329/

The article is in the WSJ...the above is just a SMALL portion of the lengthily logic of it's author.

The point to the article was this...Medicare is bleeding the "health budget" and it's bled out. Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on MRIs,nuclear testing,ADVANCED major procedures on an 80 something elder is INSANE...because THAT amount could have been available to a 20 something,30 something who has a VERY long life ahead of them and an opportunity to contribute something to society.

we can NOT continue to throw money at stopping death, when death is the ultimate destination of the aging.

His elected choice to stop the INSANITY was at the age of 75, and I AGREE...I have attempted to put into place, the means to accomplish that (since I am 67). I am aligned with a geriatrics/ internal med. Dr. Her goal is to allow the patient a path to "death with dignity" and believes that extraordinary measures are only called for IF the patient deems them appropriate. A pallative care team is an integral part of that equation and BEYOND that I have contacted Compassion and Care organization who works along side FINAL EXIT NETWORK to allow the patient to exercise the "opt out"choice. It is NOT a simple thing to "die with dignity" anymore.

homeagain wrote: The article is in the WSJ...the above is just a SMALL portion of the lengthily logic of it's author.

The point to the article was this...Medicare is bleeding the "health budget" and it's bled out. Spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on MRIs,nuclear testing,ADVANCED major procedures on an 80 something elder is INSANE...because THAT amount could have been available to a 20 something,30 something who has a VERY long life ahead of them and an opportunity to contribute something to society.

we can NOT continue to throw money at stopping death, when death is the ultimate destination of the aging.

His elected choice to stop the INSANITY was at the age of 75, and I AGREE...I have attempted to put into place, the means to accomplish that (since I am 67). I am aligned with a geriatrics/ internal med. Dr. Her goal is to allow the patient a path to "death with dignity" and believes that extraordinary measures are only called for IF the patient deems them appropriate. A pallative care team is an integral part of that equation and BEYOND that I have contacted Compassion and Care organization who works along side FINAL EXIT NETWORK to allow the patient to exercise the "opt out"choice. It is NOT a simple thing to "die with dignity" anymore.

Well Home there are so many things I'd love to say right now, but I respect you as a poster who holds her tongue pretty well and stays civil.

I call BS on this idea that once you get to a certain age, you will no longer do everything you can to be healthy (unless you've just never cared about your health)... to me, dying with dignity would NOT be suffering through possibly years of agony with cancer that I could have prevented with early detection. It could very well cost society much more if the elderly stop trying to live longer and we have a massive population of the suffering and the dying.

Now lets say that I'm like my dad when I'm 75 and still work every day... he's been a volunteer at Habitat for Humanity for four years. He's a 74 year old flaming liberal and he's one of the best guys I've known, and he loves life more than ever right now... he earned it through many hard years of raising a family. For him to stop trying to stay alive would be impossible, even if tapping out at 75 became an expected societal norm.

As a cancer survivor, I can tell you that when i got my cancers, I only wanted to beat it... I think I'd rather die by an ISIS beheading than to die that way.

This Emanuel fraud will be speaking a far different tune when at 75 he's still having fun with his friends , kids, and grandkids. This is just like the global warming mechants like Al Gore who want to tell us all how to compromise our comfort for the planet, then he flies his jet back to his massive home.

I have a feeling that once the ACA completely collapses, the government will basically mandate away the choice anyway.