Keystone XL to raise gas prices in Colorado significantly

19 Nov 2014 08:23 #51 by ZHawke

FredHayek wrote: So it will be voted on again in January and President Obama will veto it? Maybe the Canadian oil company can get him a high paid post retirement speaking gig to convince the POTUS to vote for American jobs.


Can we add that to the 50, or so, permanent jobs that will be created as a result of this pipeline being built? :biggrin:

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19 Nov 2014 08:36 #52 by homeagain

ZHawke wrote:

FredHayek wrote: So it will be voted on again in January and President Obama will veto it? Maybe the Canadian oil company can get him a high paid post retirement speaking gig to convince the POTUS to vote for American jobs.


Can we add that to the 50, or so, permanent jobs that will be created as a result of this pipeline being built? :biggrin:



Sh-h-h-h, the "illusion" of job creation MUST remain intact.... :biggrin:

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19 Nov 2014 08:36 #53 by FredHayek
So the years of high paying construction jobs building the pipeline you just choose to ignore?
Like the Dems who mocked "drill baby drill" saying it won't help gas prices in the short term?
In this decade of stagnant wages, you would begrudge blue collar workers high paying jobs for three years?
No wonder the Dems have lost the blue collar vote. President Obama: We will give you increased food stamps but refuse to give you jobs with wages families can survive on.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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19 Nov 2014 08:49 #54 by ZHawke

FredHayek wrote: So the years of high paying construction jobs building the pipeline you just choose to ignore?
Like the Dems who mocked "drill baby drill" saying it won't help gas prices in the short term?
In this decade of stagnant wages, you would begrudge blue collar workers high paying jobs for three years?
No wonder the Dems have lost the blue collar vote. President Obama: We will give you increased food stamps but refuse to give you jobs with wages families can survive on.


So, how did you feel about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?

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19 Nov 2014 08:54 #55 by FredHayek
Very necessary at the time. Businesses weren't spending and consumers were sitting on their wallets. Also begrudgingly supported the bank and carmaker bailouts. If the banks and car makers had been allowed to fail, the damage to the economy would have plunged the US into another great depression.
Government is handy to correct occasional bad business cycles, but the constant meddling can create more problems than it solves. For example, the easy credit on student and home loans lets tuition and home prices rise to levels they can't repay.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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19 Nov 2014 09:06 #56 by Rick
Next year when the new Senate votes on this again, we will get 100% proof that the Dems who voted yes this time only did it for political reasons... many will change their votes because they are lying cowards.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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19 Nov 2014 09:10 - 19 Nov 2014 09:12 #57 by FredHayek
Bennet voted for the pipeline and Udall didn't. Udall didn't have to worry about being reelected unlike Bennet, 60% of Americans support the pipeline.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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19 Nov 2014 09:22 - 19 Nov 2014 09:22 #58 by Blazer Bob

ZHawke wrote:

FredHayek wrote: So the years of high paying construction jobs building the pipeline you just choose to ignore?
Like the Dems who mocked "drill baby drill" saying it won't help gas prices in the short term?
In this decade of stagnant wages, you would begrudge blue collar workers high paying jobs for three years?
No wonder the Dems have lost the blue collar vote. President Obama: We will give you increased food stamps but refuse to give you jobs with wages families can survive on.


So, how did you feel about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?


As opposed to the drivel that the left now spews that the shovel ready jobs that building Keystone will create is trivial. The good jobs that even unions are in favor of, funded by private capital as opposed to the government funded shovel ready jobs that did not exist? Those jobs?


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19 Nov 2014 09:29 #59 by Rick

BlazerBob wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

FredHayek wrote: So the years of high paying construction jobs building the pipeline you just choose to ignore?
Like the Dems who mocked "drill baby drill" saying it won't help gas prices in the short term?
In this decade of stagnant wages, you would begrudge blue collar workers high paying jobs for three years?
No wonder the Dems have lost the blue collar vote. President Obama: We will give you increased food stamps but refuse to give you jobs with wages families can survive on.


So, how did you feel about the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act?


As opposed to the drivel that the left now spews that the shovel ready jobs that building Keystone will create is trivial. The good jobs that even unions are in favor of, funded by private capital as opposed to the government funded shovel ready jobs that did not exist? Those jobs?


:like: That was another classic the Dems try to forget.

The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.

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19 Nov 2014 09:37 #60 by ZHawke

BlazerBob wrote: As opposed to the drivel that the left now spews that the shovel ready jobs that building Keystone will create is trivial. The good jobs that even unions are in favor of, funded by private capital as opposed to the government funded shovel ready jobs that did not exist? Those jobs?



Not at all. I don't dispute the construction phase jobs that will be created. That's a given. It's the long term that I'm more concerned with, environmental concerns not-withstanding. From what I've seen, the tar sands oil will be extracted whether or not the pipeline is approved. The impacts on the environment cannot be denied. That the U.S. may "contribute" to those impacts by allowing this pipeline to be built is a concern. Regardless, the pipeline will be built, whether through the U.S. or through Canada. Personally, I don't care about the "politics" in this issue. Those chips will fall where they may.

What it ultimately boils down to for me is whether or not we (the U.S.) "should" be willing to contribute to the environmental impacts caused by tar sands oil extraction. If we are, then build the damn thing. If we aren't, maybe standing on principle would be a good thing, perhaps?

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