What Would End The Protests?

I have, and never would, condone violence. I will always support self defense and doing whatever it takes to punish criminals.

HEARTLESS wrote: I have, and never would, condone violence. I will always support self defense and doing whatever it takes to punish criminals.

Me either. I also support self defense and doing whatever it takes to punish criminals. No problem there. The possibility of giving the appearance of a "double standard" so to speak is the potential problem I see.

ZHawke wrote: .......... Media coverage of the situation in Ferguson has been rampant. Media coverage isn't exclusive, however, just to Ferguson in this regard. We see snippets of coverage of the kinds of riots and looting going on in the photos, but nothing that even comes close to the coverage we see in places like Ferguson. Why is that? THAT's the "perspective" I was trying to bring to the table, right or wrong.

That's the question!! That is easy now that you have stated it so succinctly.

The MSM on behalf of the democratic party do everything they can to further the meme that the country is racist and unfair.

Frankly, exactly how the ubiquitous coverage of Furguson furthers that I do not get. Apparently Gruber is right. Otherwise how did all the coverage and now exposed lies and the destruction of the DA in the Lacrosse case help further the meme. Still they repeat it every chance they get.

BlazerBob wrote: That's the question!! That is easy now that you have stated it so succinctly.

The MSM on behalf of the democratic party do everything they can to further the meme that the country is racist and unfair.

Frankly, exactly how the ubiquitous coverage of Furguson furthers that I do not get. Apparently Gruber is right. Otherwise how did all the coverage and now exposed lies and the destruction of the DA in the Lacrosse case help further the meme. Still they repeat it every chance they get.

Nope. I don't agree with your assertion "on behalf of the democratic party". Do you include FOX News in your assessment? And Gruber has nothing whatsoever to do with what's going on in Ferguson. Where'd you come up with that?

Would you like to elaborate on the link I provided regarding the "other" St. Louis cop that has been charged with a felony by the same Prosecutor in the Darrin Wilson case?

ZHawke wrote:

BlazerBob wrote: That's the question!! That is easy now that you have stated it so succinctly.

The MSM on behalf of the democratic party do everything they can to further the meme that the country is racist and unfair.

Frankly, exactly how the ubiquitous coverage of Furguson furthers that I do not get. Apparently Gruber is right. Otherwise how did all the coverage and now exposed lies and the destruction of the DA in the Lacrosse case help further the meme. Still they repeat it every chance they get.

Nope. I don't agree with your assertion "on behalf of the democratic party". Do you include FOX News in your assessment? And Gruber has nothing whatsoever to do with what's going on in Ferguson. Where'd you come up with that?

Would you like to elaborate on the link I provided regarding the "other" St. Louis cop that has been charged with a felony by the same Prosecutor in the Darrin Wilson case?

1. I did not think you would.
2. Obviously not.
3. The connection is between the meme and stupid citizens.
4. Sorry, I did not see the link or if I did I did not follow it.

homeagain wrote: A DIFFERENT perspective is needed here....I just watched an CNN interview with a 30 yr. veteran
of the police force who TRAINS police personnel...A.) THIS was the first time this particular officer had
fired his weapon in a "real time" event. B.) FIRST RULE OF TRAINING (per this trainer) NEVER allow your personal space to be breached. This police officer FIRST allowed the suspect to breach space, by allowing him near his vehicle (so close that he could reach into the car)...C. AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up....and making the decision to pursue the suspect ALONE.

PER THIS 30 year veteran...THERE IS A LACK OF TRAINING ( and that, per his view, NEEDS to be addressed across the country.) There was fear, TESTOSTERONE,adrenaline on BOTH sides of incident and THAT created this tragedy...FOR TRAINING PURPOSES A BODY CAMERA IS REQUIRED (first change that should be implemented.)

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He did call for a back up. before the the man Brown even put his fist into the police SUV. I would suggest that all of the testimony and evidence be read by EVERYONE on this thread before comments are made.

The full document can be found at the bottom of this page. At the top of the page are excerpts of the evidence.

www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/25/...en-wilsons-testimony

BlazerBob wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

BlazerBob wrote: That's the question!! That is easy now that you have stated it so succinctly.

The MSM on behalf of the democratic party do everything they can to further the meme that the country is racist and unfair.

Frankly, exactly how the ubiquitous coverage of Furguson furthers that I do not get. Apparently Gruber is right. Otherwise how did all the coverage and now exposed lies and the destruction of the DA in the Lacrosse case help further the meme. Still they repeat it every chance they get.

Nope. I don't agree with your assertion "on behalf of the democratic party". Do you include FOX News in your assessment? And Gruber has nothing whatsoever to do with what's going on in Ferguson. Where'd you come up with that?

Would you like to elaborate on the link I provided regarding the "other" St. Louis cop that has been charged with a felony by the same Prosecutor in the Darrin Wilson case?

1. I did not think you would.
2. Obviously not.
3. The connection is between the meme and stupid citizens.
4. Sorry, I did not see the link or if I did I did not follow it.

Here's the link, again: stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/07/25/st-louis...ice-officer-charged/

Why isn't FOX News included in the MSM? I tend to look at the 24 hour news cycle as MSM. I do not include local news stations, nor do I include the national nightly news programs. To me, FOX News, right alongside all the other 24 hour news cycles ought to be classified as news "entertainment", nothing more.

homeagain wrote: A DIFFERENT perspective is needed here....I just watched an CNN interview with a 30 yr. veteran
of the police force who TRAINS police personnel...A.) THIS was the first time this particular officer had
fired his weapon in a "real time" event. B.) FIRST RULE OF TRAINING (per this trainer) NEVER allow your personal space to be breached. This police officer FIRST allowed the suspect to breach space, by allowing him near his vehicle (so close that he could reach into the car)...C. AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up....and making the decision to pursue the suspect ALONE.

PER THIS 30 year veteran...THERE IS A LACK OF TRAINING ( and that, per his view, NEEDS to be addressed across the country.) There was fear, TESTOSTERONE,adrenaline on BOTH sides of incident and THAT created this tragedy...FOR TRAINING PURPOSES A BODY CAMERA IS REQUIRED (first change that should be implemented.)

Guess that speaks to the quality of "experts" recruited by CNN these days. Wilson did call for backup, that's in the evidence released by the DA, which obviously hasn't been read by anyone at CNN, their "expert" or you for that matter. That call for backup was made as soon as Wilson recognized that the thug matched the description of a person who committed a robbery and started backing up to make contact.

What created the tragedy, or rather who created it, starts and ends with the thug Brown. Had he not robbed that store Officer Wilson would not have needed to detain him. Had Officer Wilson not needed to detain him, the thug Brown would never have had the opportunity to attack Officer Wilson while he was still in his car. Had the thug Brown not attacked Officer Wilson while he was in his car, Officer Wilson would not have felt the need to draw his service weapon.

The thug Brown is wholly responsible for the loss of his life. And I, personally, don't get why so many are still willing to die on the hill of assigning responsibility anywhere else.

Reverend Revelant wrote:

homeagain wrote: A DIFFERENT perspective is needed here....I just watched an CNN interview with a 30 yr. veteran
of the police force who TRAINS police personnel...A.) THIS was the first time this particular officer had
fired his weapon in a "real time" event. B.) FIRST RULE OF TRAINING (per this trainer) NEVER allow your personal space to be breached. This police officer FIRST allowed the suspect to breach space, by allowing him near his vehicle (so close that he could reach into the car)...C. AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up....and making the decision to pursue the suspect ALONE.

PER THIS 30 year veteran...THERE IS A LACK OF TRAINING ( and that, per his view, NEEDS to be addressed across the country.) There was fear, TESTOSTERONE,adrenaline on BOTH sides of incident and THAT created this tragedy...FOR TRAINING PURPOSES A BODY CAMERA IS REQUIRED (first change that should be implemented.)

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He did call for a back up. before the the man Brown even put his fist into the police SUV. I would suggest that all of the testimony and evidence be read by EVERYONE on this thread before comments are made.

The full document can be found at the bottom of this page. At the top of the page are excerpts of the evidence.

www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/25/...en-wilsons-testimony

And THEN OPTED to pursue, BEFORE BACKUP. I watched the interview with Wilson. I am NOT
stating that Brown had no part in this, that Brown was "naive and innocent". I AM saying Wilson made
some decisions that were counter to a WELL- TRAINED OFFICER....(because of his lack of "real time
street experience...AND first time field firing of a weapon.)

As to the other "Mayberry comment"....Ferguson is NOT Mayberry...there has been/is very REAL STRIFE between the community and police personnel...THAT has been the a basis of distrust for a very long time.

ZHawke wrote: Would you like to elaborate on the link I provided regarding the "other" St. Louis cop that has been charged with a felony by the same Prosecutor in the Darrin Wilson case?

Do you have more information about the incident other than a very general description? Without that, one wonders where you find the cause to attempt to link them in any meaningful manner. Was the person hit by the baton charging the officer when they were struck? Had they recently committed a strong armed robbery for which the second officer was attempting to detain them?

How are the two instances similar other than both are law enforcement officers and both cases fall into the same DA's office?