What Would End The Protests?

homeagain wrote:

Reverend Revelant wrote:

homeagain wrote: A DIFFERENT perspective is needed here....I just watched an CNN interview with a 30 yr. veteran
of the police force who TRAINS police personnel...A.) THIS was the first time this particular officer had
fired his weapon in a "real time" event. B.) FIRST RULE OF TRAINING (per this trainer) NEVER allow your personal space to be breached. This police officer FIRST allowed the suspect to breach space, by allowing him near his vehicle (so close that he could reach into the car)...C. AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up....and making the decision to pursue the suspect ALONE.

PER THIS 30 year veteran...THERE IS A LACK OF TRAINING ( and that, per his view, NEEDS to be addressed across the country.) There was fear, TESTOSTERONE,adrenaline on BOTH sides of incident and THAT created this tragedy...FOR TRAINING PURPOSES A BODY CAMERA IS REQUIRED (first change that should be implemented.)

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He did call for a back up. before the the man Brown even put his fist into the police SUV. I would suggest that all of the testimony and evidence be read by EVERYONE on this thread before comments are made.

The full document can be found at the bottom of this page. At the top of the page are excerpts of the evidence.

www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2014/11/25/...en-wilsons-testimony

And THEN OPTED to pursue, BEFORE BACKUP. I watched the interview with Wilson. I am NOT
stating that Brown had no part in this, that Brown was "naive and innocent". I AM saying Wilson made
some decisions that were counter to a WELL- TRAINED OFFICER....(because of his lack of "real time
street experience...AND first time field firing of a weapon.)

As to the other "Mayberry comment"....Ferguson is NOT Mayberry...there has been/is very REAL STRIFE between the community and police personnel...THAT has been the a basis of distrust for a very long time.

The statement you made was simple. "AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up." There was no mistake made, he called for a back up BEFORE THE FIRST ALTERCATION.

A back up was already heading for the scene. The altercation was instigated by the man Brown. At the point that the man Brown attacked the officer, the officer was now tasked with perusing the assailant.

Or do you suggest that the officer just sit in his car while a criminal pranced away?

The CNN expert either did not read the entire evidence package that was made public or he has a faulty memory or he is purposely leaving out the details that put any onus on the man Brown.

I'm really not asking for an answer, I'm just telling you the facts. I can't change the facts even though it would be convenient if I was trying to make the officer look like the assailant in this incident.

I can't do that.

And I am not going to go round and round with you on this. That's one of the reasons I rarely post on here anymore. Topics are deflected in attempts to change the subject, facts are either not known or a comment contains "facts" that are totally, beyond a shadow of a doubt incorrect or once a mistake is made, that mistake has to be defended no matter what.

This is not intelligent, adult behavior. I don't play with facts, I have a job where the public is fact checking me on a weekly basis. When your career suddenly depend on being correct, then you would understand where I am coming from.

It's easy here to remain anonymous, play fast and loose with facts, defend the indefensible, it doesn't cost anyone anything.

I don't do that, I can't, and I'm not going to play games.

I think I'll just bow out again.

It's the same old, same old.

I have a reputation to consider.

And this is far from worth that reputation.

Read about it in The Flume if you want facts.

Facts are hard to find here.

ZHawke wrote: [

Here's the link, again: stlouis.cbslocal.com/2014/07/25/st-louis...ice-officer-charged/

Why isn't FOX News included in the MSM? I tend to look at the 24 hour news cycle as MSM. I do not include local news stations, nor do I include the national nightly news programs. To me, FOX News, right alongside all the other 24 hour news cycles ought to be classified as news "entertainment", nothing more.

NOt much to comment on even if you are referring to race.

IMO the term MSM as used by everyone not liberal refers to Pravda USA. In other words media that carries the democrats water.

homeagain wrote: And THEN OPTED to pursue, BEFORE BACKUP. I watched the interview with Wilson. I am NOT stating that Brown had no part in this, that Brown was "naive and innocent". I AM saying Wilson made some decisions that were counter to a WELL- TRAINED OFFICER....(because of his lack of "real time street experience...AND first time field firing of a weapon.)

Well thank the Creator that he didn't make it a regular habit to "field fire" his weapon. Many LEOs go an entire career without ever doing that, which I happen to view as a good thing, not an impediment.

LEOs are charged with protecting the residents of their area home. They don't get to back up when they come face to face with a criminal, they are paid to stand toe to toe and get them off of the street before they do more harm than they have already managed to do. Of course Officer Wilson pursued, it's his job to pursue a suspect in a recent crime. What would you have Wilson do, drive away as if he never saw the suspect?

YES you are correct RR...it IS the same old, same old....white perspective and black perspective of living
in America. They will NEVER come together to be one.

As to The Flume, I CERTAINLY HOPE you are an improvement over PAST reporters.The Flume,
in the past, has NOT been "the epitome" of accuracy...(lack of balance and fair reporting.)

I SAW the interview with the officer,I HEARD his recounting of the event....his LACK of remorse,his
own admission he would NOT have done anything differently,his demeanor reflected professionalism,but at the same time he portrayed a certain "I did nothing wrong" attitude...there was NO sense of humility...SO,my opinion of the event STILL stands...it was a Testosterone filled Tragedy that COULD HAVE ended differently,IF the professional was ADEQUATELY trained...JMO

The professional was adequately trained. Bad guy dead, cop still alive. That is always the preferred outcome IMNTBHO . . .

homeagain wrote:
I SAW the interview with the officer,I HEARD his recounting of the event....his LACK of remorse,his
own admission he would NOT have done anything differently,his demeanor reflected professionalism,but at the same time he portrayed a certain "I did nothing wrong" attitude...there was NO sense of humility...SO,my opinion of the event STILL stands...it was a Testosterone filled Tragedy that COULD HAVE ended differently,IF the professional was ADEQUATELY trained...JMO

Easy to say when you've never been in a situation like that. You can have remorse and still say you would not have done anything differently if it meant saving your own life.

mymountaintown.com/forum/139-the-campfir...uote?start=20#328669

THIS defines the issue....

PrintSmith wrote:

homeagain wrote: And THEN OPTED to pursue, BEFORE BACKUP. I watched the interview with Wilson. I am NOT stating that Brown had no part in this, that Brown was "naive and innocent". I AM saying Wilson made some decisions that were counter to a WELL- TRAINED OFFICER....(because of his lack of "real time street experience...AND first time field firing of a weapon.)

Well thank the Creator that he didn't make it a regular habit to "field fire" his weapon. Many LEOs go an entire career without ever doing that, which I happen to view as a good thing, not an impediment.

LEOs are charged with protecting the residents of their area home. They don't get to back up when they come face to face with a criminal, they are paid to stand toe to toe and get them off of the street before they do more harm than they have already managed to do. Of course Officer Wilson pursued, it's his job to pursue a suspect in a recent crime. What would you have Wilson do, drive away as if he never saw the suspect?

Yes LEOs are tasked with protecting the public welfare as a whole. If back up is required think how this sounds to a crime victim. "While waiting for back up as policy requires, the perpetrator continued to rape the victim a little bit."
Still wrestling with the shooting an unarmed man/teen part? Read disparity of force laws for your state. Nearly all allow use of deadly force when overwhelmed in size, strength or number when fear of death or (Colorado law) the victim believes they may suffer substantial harm. You can let the attorneys argue what substantial is.

homeagain wrote: mymountaintown.com/forum/139-the-campfir...uote?start=20#328669

THIS defines the issue....

In case you did NOT catch this the FIRST TIME around....

homeagain wrote: mymountaintown.com/forum/139-the-campfir...uote?start=20#328669

THIS defines the issue....

Are you referring to the MLK quote? If so, that would have been good reading for Michael Brown.