HEARTLESS wrote: No one is trained to shoot at appendages, only center mass/high torso. A person in motion is a difficult target for even the most accurate shooters to reliably hit and since the person firing the gun is responsible for all rounds discharged, only aim at the biggest target area...
Don't forget that most defensive shooting incidents happen in the span of seconds so at some point in time the shooter has to make a decision and once the shooter decides to shoot he can't change his mind, there isn't any time left to reconsider the choice. Confronted with a fight or flight situation and choosing to fight means you'll have to stand your ground and defend yourself. The aftermath of the action is what haunts the shooter when the attacker won't back down and is ultimately terminated there will be a multitude of people second guessing the choice the shooter made.
The paper tiger that has been stood up in Michale Brown's case seems to point to a premeditated motive; the local police will take advantage of any situation to shoot a minority member of the community. In light of the evidence presented that idea doesn't hold any water for people looking at the situation and strictly considering the facts. Cultural issues and anger have clearly clouded people's minds and vengeance is being demanded when logic should prevail.
I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you.
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HEARTLESS wrote: No one is trained to shoot at appendages, only center mass/high torso. A person in motion is a difficult target for even the most accurate shooters to reliably hit and since the person firing the gun is responsible for all rounds discharged, only aim at the biggest target area...
Don't forget that most defensive shooting incidents happen in the span of seconds so at some point in time the shooter has to make a decision and once the shooter decides to shoot he can't change his mind, there isn't any time left to reconsider the choice. Confronted with a fight or flight situation and choosing to fight means you'll have to stand your ground and defend yourself. The aftermath of the action is what haunts the shooter when the attacker won't back down and is ultimately terminated there will be a multitude of people second guessing the choice the shooter made.
The paper tiger that has been stood up in Michale Brown's case seems to point to a premeditated motive; the local police will take advantage of any situation to shoot a minority member of the community. In light of the evidence presented that idea doesn't hold any water for people looking at the situation and strictly considering the facts. Cultural issues and anger have clearly clouded people's minds and vengeance is being demanded when logic should prevail.
Well said both of you
The left is angry because they are now being judged by the content of their character and not by the color of their skin.
homeagain wrote: It is truly unfortunate that BODY CAMERAS are not required on ALL police personnel that interact with
the public at large....THAT should be the first and foremost item on the agenda for CHANGE....JMO
"Keep an Eye On These Surveillance Stocks
By Jason Simpkins 2014-09-23
Shares of Digital Ally (Nasdaq: DGLY), a maker of wearable cameras, surged 772% after the shooting of an unarmed black teenager in Ferguson, Missouri, led to a public outcry and the suggestion that police officers start wearing cameras."...
That is a good think but I think the first order of business is to make camera confiscation as abhorrent as cannibalism.
"As my colleagues and I frequently note, Americans have a well-established constitutional right to record police officers as they publicly perform their duties. Yet cops across the country continue to harass and arrest people for exercising that right, using bogus charges such as wiretapping, resisting arrest, and interfering with police. Yesterday yet another federal judge issued a clear message to those cops: Cut it out.
The case was brought by Antonio Buehler, an Austin, Texas, activist who has had several run-ins with camera-shy cops. The first incident occurred on January 1, 2012, when Buehler pulled into a 7-11 in Austin to refuel his truck and observed a traffic stop during which police dragged a screaming passenger from a car and knocked her to the ground. After Buehler took out his phone and began taking pictures of the encounter from a distance, Officer Patrick Obosrki manhandled him and arrested him for "resisting arrest, search, or transportation."
Buehler filed a complaint about the incident with the Austin Police Department but never received a satisfactory response."
homeagain wrote: A DIFFERENT perspective is needed here....I just watched an CNN interview with a 30 yr. veteran
of the police force who TRAINS police personnel...A.) THIS was the first time this particular officer had
fired his weapon in a "real time" event. B.) FIRST RULE OF TRAINING (per this trainer) NEVER allow your personal space to be breached. This police officer FIRST allowed the suspect to breach space, by allowing him near his vehicle (so close that he could reach into the car)...C. AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up....and making the decision to pursue the suspect ALONE.
PER THIS 30 year veteran...THERE IS A LACK OF TRAINING ( and that, per his view, NEEDS to be addressed across the country.) There was fear, TESTOSTERONE,adrenaline on BOTH sides of incident and THAT created this tragedy...FOR TRAINING PURPOSES A BODY CAMERA IS REQUIRED (first change that should be implemented.)
\ He did call for a back up. before the the man Brown even put his fist into the police SUV. I would suggest that all of the testimony and evidence be read by EVERYONE on this thread before comments are made.
The full document can be found at the bottom of this page. At the top of the page are excerpts of the evidence.
And THEN OPTED to pursue, BEFORE BACKUP. I watched the interview with Wilson. I am NOT
stating that Brown had no part in this, that Brown was "naive and innocent". I AM saying Wilson made
some decisions that were counter to a WELL- TRAINED OFFICER....(because of his lack of "real time
street experience...AND first time field firing of a weapon.)
As to the other "Mayberry comment"....Ferguson is NOT Mayberry...there has been/is very REAL STRIFE between the community and police personnel...THAT has been the a basis of distrust for a very long time.
The statement you made was simple. "AFTER the altercation in the vehicle,his NEXT mistake was NOT calling for back up." There was no mistake made, he called for a back up BEFORE THE FIRST ALTERCATION.
A back up was already heading for the scene. The altercation was instigated by the man Brown. At the point that the man Brown attacked the officer, the officer was now tasked with perusing the assailant.
Or do you suggest that the officer just sit in his car while a criminal pranced away?
The CNN expert either did not read the entire evidence package that was made public or he has a faulty memory or he is purposely leaving out the details that put any onus on the man Brown.
I'm really not asking for an answer, I'm just telling you the facts. I can't change the facts even though it would be convenient if I was trying to make the officer look like the assailant in this incident.
I can't do that.
And I am not going to go round and round with you on this. That's one of the reasons I rarely post on here anymore. Topics are deflected in attempts to change the subject, facts are either not known or a comment contains "facts" that are totally, beyond a shadow of a doubt incorrect or once a mistake is made, that mistake has to be defended no matter what.
This is not intelligent, adult behavior. I don't play with facts, I have a job where the public is fact checking me on a weekly basis. When your career suddenly depend on being correct, then you would understand where I am coming from.
It's easy here to remain anonymous, play fast and loose with facts, defend the indefensible, it doesn't cost anyone anything.
I don't do that, I can't, and I'm not going to play games.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
