What is Racism?

05 Jan 2020 13:28 #1 by ramage
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Colin Kapernick, adopted by a white couple, raised in a middle class environment is outspoken about the oppression by the white race. Barack Obama, a white mother, reared by white grandparents in an upper middle class environment, identifies as a black in the fight with the oppression. Kamala Harris, daughter of a Jamaican father and an Indian mother identifies as a black.
I have to wonder what perhaps in their childhood fostered their beliefs. Was it that the color of their skin was different than that of their family? Isn't that the definition of racism?
Your thoughts?

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05 Jan 2020 14:06 #2 by hillfarmer
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I believe that a good example of racism is believing that because their skin color was different from their parents skin color that it would by nature cause them to be racist toward white people.

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05 Jan 2020 16:42 #3 by ramage
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Does your comment mean that just the raising of the question of racism which may or not be on the basis on the skin color difference, is racist?

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05 Jan 2020 17:16 #4 by Rick
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I think most people know what racism is but I don't believe most people know who is a racist unless they have undeniable evidence to prove it. In 2020 there are still too many people calling other people racists without having that evidence, especially many irresponsible people in the media and in high political positions.

I also believe there isn't nearly as much racism as we're being told, because there are a lot of influential people who have depended on racism for their careers to be relevant. I was really hoping that one positive result of an Obama presidency would be less racist accusations and emphasis of skin color over character. Sadly, the opposite happened.

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05 Jan 2020 19:11 #5 by Blazer Bob
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ramage wrote: Colin Kapernick, adopted by a white couple, raised in a middle class environment is outspoken about the oppression by the white race. Barack Obama, a white mother, reared by white grandparents in an upper middle class environment, identifies as a black in the fight with the oppression. Kamala Harris, daughter of a Jamaican father and an Indian mother identifies as a black.
I have to wonder what perhaps in their childhood fostered their beliefs. Was it that the color of their skin was different than that of their family? Isn't that the definition of racism?
Your thoughts?


I think that there "beliefs" are in recognizing the existence of black privilege and wanting to ride that train.

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06 Jan 2020 01:04 #6 by ScienceChic
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rac·ism
/ˈrāˌsizəm/
noun

1. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

2. the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

Rick, I agree with what you wrote. Racism as an issue is being amplified by our enemies through their active measures to get us fighting about it so we become further divided against one another. Yes, it remains a problem that we can work together to solve, and the color of ones' skin or upbringing doesn't matter if they feel they and others have suffered an injustice and they are speaking out about it.

Ramage, do you think that being raised in a middle or upper class environment insulates someone from experiencing racism? Do you think that Kaepernick and Obama don't have sufficient credibility because they were raised by white people in privileged circumstances, and that their speaking out on behalf of others is disingenuous?

The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

Your scars exist, but it’s your courage that defines you. ~Nalini Singh

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06 Jan 2020 07:11 #7 by homeagain
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THIS is an interview that touches on ALL aspects of prejudice......from an awesome actor
in tv series POSE.....award winning tv series.....educational and extremely entertaining.,,,BUT
you must OPEN your mind.....because, from my pov cyber boards such as these are WHITE BREAD posters.

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06 Jan 2020 08:12 #8 by ramage
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SC,
I should ask the question "what is race?" as it applies to humans. Then proceed on to racism.
Read the following and provide some enlightenment as it relates to race/racism

Colin Kaepernick

@Kaepernick7
There is nothing new about American terrorist attacks against Black and Brown people for the expansion of American imperialism.

104K
1:09 PM - Jan 4, 2020

Are the Iranians ( also known as Persians , Aryans) now members of the Black and Brown People?

Would the following be considered a racist statement? ""I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," ..... "I mean, that's a storybook,...

To answer your question, SC, I don't think that the inidividuals I cited, have sufficient credibility, they have, to the best of my knowledge, experieced discrimination because of race, color would be a better choice of words until we can agree on a definition of race. Clarence Thomas, Condoleezza Rice are better examples. Kapernick and Obama use the color of their skin to aggrandize themselves.

Trick question: Can a blind person be racist against someone based on one's skin color?

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06 Jan 2020 08:59 #9 by ScienceChic
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I saw Kaepernick's Tweet, and I saw him getting roasted for it as he rightly should have. It's absurd to ascribe to foreign nations and people the beliefs and cultural problems that Americans have and hold.

Would the following be considered a racist statement? ""I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," ..... "I mean, that's a storybook,...

No, I would not have, even without recognizing where this quote came from. Once I Googled it, even less so. Biden is famous for his poor choice of words, but it doesn't mean that he's racist and the person about whom he was speaking took no offense.

As I believe I've stated before on this board, race is purely a social construct, proven not to exist at the genetic level. Perhaps a better question to ask is What is the Difference between Race and Ethnicity? or maybe even "Why do we feel that that which is different is bad/lesser/worse/inferior?"

So if I'm understanding you correctly, you're complaint isn't that the issue of racism isn't valid, it's that these people aren't credible to be speaking out about it? If so, aren't your intentions more to complain about the individuals, rather than the issue of racism?

I'm very curious as to your choice of Clarence Thomas as an example of having experienced discrimination and being more credible. Could you explain that more?

Can a blind person be racist? I would say that they very well could. Racists don't hold their beliefs simply because of their ability to see, but because they feel they are superior in multiple ways to others, and that comes from input from all of our senses.

The hope of a secure and livable world lies with disciplined nonconformists who are dedicated to justice, peace and brotherhood. ~Martin Luther King, Jr.

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

Your scars exist, but it’s your courage that defines you. ~Nalini Singh

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06 Jan 2020 12:14 #10 by ramage
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SC,
Your thoughtful reply is appreciated.I find us in agreement with regard to the definition of race being a social construct, and racism in the words of Thomas Sowell "The word 'racism' is like ketchup. It can be put on practically anything - and demanding evidence makes you a 'racist.'"
I do not consider question as a complaint, regarding the furnished examples, rather that the nametag "racism" is being exploited for personal gain
I would refer you to his memoirs and the numerous biographies of Clarence Thomas as to his exposure to racism, a brief sample "Thomas was born in Georgia’s coastal lowlands among impoverished Gullah-speakers and spent his childhood working his grandfather’s farm.
He likened his upbringing to Kathryn Stockett’s 2009 novel “The Help” as most of the women in his life, including his mother, were domestics in white households.
Given the few options open to blacks in the Jim Crow south, Thomas’ family felt they had no choice but to do the best with what they had."
My question regarding the blind person referred to whether he/she could be prejudiced on the basis of skin color.
Finally I refer you to "Clarence Thomas on Racism" Youtube.com (recorded 12/29/2012).

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