Nmysys wrote: I admit it, I am willfully ignorant of why you and all the idiots who voted the way you did will defend your decision to put an African born leftist Socialist Marxist idiot into office to lead us. I will admit it, that the world has gone crazy and we no longer have any values in this country because I am willfully ignorant of why anyone wants Sharia Law here in this country or why we shouldn't try to be like all the countries in Europe and be Socialists with a failing country. I am willfully ignorant of why we allow a bunch of loons called the U.N. to house here, break our laws, but have immunity from them, and we fund everything they ask for and take care of the rest of the world, who meanwhile hates us for being the greatest success story in the history of this world.
Oh yeah, I am willfully ignorant of why you love the :Koolaid: so much!!!!!
Nmysys, what does your post have to do with the topic of the thread?
African born.......a lie, and been proven as such. Just because nmysis believes it does not make it true.
Sharia law? Please show me anyone on the liberal side who has advocated for this. It's more in line with right wing religious conservative thought than liberal.
Really......when nmysis posts get swallowed hook, line and sinker by the conservatives we know who has been indulging in the :Koolaid:
The only "evidence" I've seen that snopes.com is biased to the left was from a mass e-mail sent out a couple of years ago before the 2008 elections. The e-mail only gave a few examples, which were easily debunked. Then it suggested another fact checking site that is "fair". Well, it turns out even that site posted a favorable review of snopes, and stating that snopes is not biased to the left. So much for that e-mail.
I've seen conservatives use factcheck.org several times when it supported their views. The first time was by Dick Cheney during the 2000 VP debate. He referred to factcheck during the debate because they supported his claim that he had disassociated himself from Haliburton. I remember it because he said to go to "factcheck.com" by mistake instead of "factcheck.org". The guy who owned factcheck.com at the time (no longer does) got a ton of traffic after the debate.
McCain's campaign quoted factcheck in a couple of their TV ads during the 2008 race. I've even seen Sean Hannity quote them. But when factcheck doesn't support their views, the conservatives ignore, it or call them biased to the left.
Even if it could be shown that snopes or factcheck is slanted to the left (which I don't see), I still don't understand how you can refuse to even look at what they say. They document all their points with links and footnotes. If you think their conclusion is biased, then just check their sources and reach your own conclusion. But to refuse to even read what they say because they are "biased" is just being lazy or sticking your head in the sand because you can't argue their points, IMO.
pineinthegrass wrote: Even if it could be shown that snopes or factcheck is slanted to the left (which I don't see), I still don't understand how you can refuse to even look at what they say. They document all their points with links and footnotes. If you think their conclusion is biased, then just check their sources and reach your own conclusion. But to refuse to even read what they say because they are "biased" is just being lazy or sticking your head in the sand because you can't argue their points, IMO.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Nmysys wrote: the rest of the world, who meanwhile hates us for being the greatest success story in the history of this world.
I heard this over and over again, "They hate us because of our freedoms. They hate us because we're the the greatest success story in the history of the world."
These statements conveniently avoid the fact that most of the foreign powers that hate us hate us because we stick our nose in other people's business and tell them how their country should be run. America has always been conceited about what a great country it thinks it is and how people in this country can judge people and laws in other countries better than they can judge themselves.
Think of the World as the United States - with each country being a state, and our U.S. government as the government of the world states. If you think we in the U.S. have a better idea of how other countries should be run then you are anti-states rights on a worldly scale.
The Roman Republic was the greatest success story in the history of the world (unless you count Microsoft). And the U.S. vs the Roman Empire that followed is no contest. The Romans win hands down over the U.S. in that regard. And the Roman Empire fell, didn't it?
Read the damn thing! I responded to the comment that I was woefully ignorant!!!
Kneb:
Please tell us who you were before you changed your screen name!
You, like all the rest of the Progressives choose to believe a copy of a Hawaiian Live Birth Certificate, but didn't look closely to read the stamp that said " Received". When anyone else would quickly and easily produce a birth certificate, this man has spent over a million dollars to deny access to his. Most other documents, the paper trail we all leave in our wake, have been sequestered from review. He has lived a make-believe life whose true facts remain hidden.
He himself has admitted that he was born in Kenya, the President of the country of Kenya has stated that Obama was born there. Yet you continue to drink the koolaid and defend him. Whatever he does is fine with people like you because you agree with him on hating America. You agree with him on destroying what this country has stood for for 234 years. Sorry but there are many proud veterans on here that won't give you a free pass because you are new here. Oh, you have the right to your opinions, and you have the right to make a damn fool out of yourself, but you won't do it without argument!!
To the OP, SNOPES may be fine for you to accept as a reliable source, it is not for the informed right members of this forum. Protest it all you like, but all it will do is cause you to be ignored like VL and others who make no sense.
I make a statement about why I think some in the world hate us -- a different opinion than you put forth and then offer another opinion about what I think the greatest country in the work was and somehow you twist that into an argument about Obama's place of birth and snopes? I never mentioned Obama or Snopes. I made no prejudgment about you and what you believe so don't try to tell me what you think I believe, OK? You don't even know me, how could you possible glean all that from a statement that the Roman Republic was the greatest success story in the history of the world. Don't go telling me what I believe. Another poster did the same thing you just did. That doesn't make me start saying ridiculous stuff that you are brothers and such. Read my post again and then respond with some facts and some intelligence. That way you won't embarrass yourself so much.
Edited to add: If you think the United States is the greatest country in the history of the world, how do you explain it being duped by an African-born person achieving the most powerful position in the country? I mean really, if you truly believe the current president is not a U.S. citizen then you dishonor the great institution that is the United States because you admit it was so easily duped. What you argue as fact wouldn't be possible in a really great country, would it?
