Empathetic Civilization

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I was thinking the same thing....funny how he says one thing...and does another. Only the sheep shall follow the propaganda of his machine.

Funny how social media got him elected and how social media got his party thrown out.

ckm8 wrote: I think it's deliberate. If they can keep the voters at each others throats we are unlikely to unite to demand campaign finance reform and put an end to the corporate takeover of our nation.

It is not a corporate take over it is a government take over. This will read somewhat stilted because rather than start from scratch, I copied it from a previous thread. The first 1.25 lines below is someone else making making the corporate take over argument, the rest is mine.

"No- when you allow huge amounts of corporate dollars into our electoral process this is where it leads us. You really need to learn to follow the money. "


No, as long as government has the power to legislate and regulate economic success and failure, this is where it leads.
Unless you can elect a full slate of saints they will always conspire to incorporate loopholes into any new campaign finance reform.
You really need to learn to follow the money.


Edit to add. This is dated but still relevant. Some names have changed but who believes the game has changed?
One interesting data point would be how their net worth change after being elected. Guesses anyone?

"The Congressional Millionaires Club

By Charles Sullivan

11/21/05 "ICH" -- -- There is little reason for anyone to be confused by the events leading up to the unraveling of America. All one has to do is ignore the rhetoric and simply follow the money to reveal the hidden mechanisms that are operating the American government. "

http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... e11104.htm "

Sorry Scruffy - but when it comes to socialists taking over the country that my ansestors fought so hard to create, we gotta pull out all the stops.

Empathetic - no way. I won't apologize for conservatives doing everything possible short of revolution to stop socialism - and if that does not work then I'm all in for the revolution by whatever means it takes.

Should we be more empathetic to the people who would destroy us?

No way.
Very empathetically,
BearMtnHIB

...As I will do everything in my power to thwart the neo-fascists from taking over our government. And I won't apologize either. And if the right-wing wackos expect to start a "revolution by whatever means necessary", I sure hope they don't come to my house...and expect me to be unarmed.

No way...

Just as emphatically...and empathetically,

LJ

(Oooo, it's fun to rattle sabres! Who knew?!?!?)

If you did your research, and checked a dictionary, you would know that what you are railing about isn't socialism, never has been. I know, it's fun to throw out the socialism term every chance you get to pigeon-hole anything liberal, but it flat out ain't true.

Empathy has long been considered a moral, good, American trait......but apparently not so much anymore. I think hatred, greed, and intolerance have replaced it.

No, but it gives them a chance to use "socialism" or "socialist" in a sentence... Is that some kind of Scrabble triple-word score or something?

Oh the mind numbing drivel, "we the Lefties invented charity ....ad nauseum." Before any form of socialism existed there was mutual cooperation. All the so called benefits of socialism are pure BS.

BearMtnHIB wrote: Sorry Scruffy - but when it comes to socialists taking over the country that my ansestors fought so hard to create, we gotta pull out all the stops.

Empathetic - no way. I won't apologize for conservatives doing everything possible short of revolution to stop socialism - and if that does not work then I'm all in for the revolution by whatever means it takes.

Should we be more empathetic to the people who would destroy us?

No way.
Very empathetically,
BearMtnHIB

Empathy is a way of understanding the situation and viewpoint of your fellow human beings. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has no shoes, who is living day to day. Put yourself in the shoes of a single mother that has to make a decision between rent or food. Put yourself in the shoes of someone who has worked all their life only to have the guaranteed pension pulled from under their feet.

Empathy is a singularly human trait. We should practice it more. That article I listed in the original post is a good (albeit lengthy) read. Even a few paragraphs might open your eyes a little more.


BTW - This rallying cry of "SOCIALISM" is getting old. We already have socialism in this country, in the form of services that we all agree to pay for - roads, bridges, police, military, etc. (Even health insurance can be viewed as a form of socialism, since we are spreading the risk around to all of us.) It's just a degree of how much. So if you cry "SOCIALIST," look around and remember that no government is a pure form of anything, whether it is communism, democracy, republic, dictatorship, whatever.

HEARTLESS wrote: Oh the mind numbing drivel, "we the Lefties invented charity ....ad nauseum." Before any form of socialism existed there was mutual cooperation. All the so called benefits of socialism are pure BS.

Who here has claimed that "we lefties invented charity?"

Please read my post above for my comments on socialism.

Stop down playing what socialism is and is not. Roads came about prior to Marx, Engels etc. They are more a function of capitalism, by promoting commerce and so on, than some Marxist idea. Same applies to all your mentioned things, with the possible exception of health care for all, Scruffy.