Comm Center Update

11 Jan 2011 12:14 #61 by 2wlady
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Well, I voted against Groome and I am against the way money is spent and debt is piled up in this county. And I have let the BOCC know this.

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11 Jan 2011 13:24 #62 by Nmysys
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Thanks Satchmo and Mtntrekker. Just trying to get an idea of how many people are in support of what we were trying to do.

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11 Jan 2011 14:08 #63 by Jonathan Hemlock
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Oh how time flies and conditions change, while you're having fun!

Hopefully, stemming from this intended and implied court injunction, the Park County Commissioners will get a hint of the dissatisfaction within the residents of Park County. Our County Commissioners are elected as representatives of, and as a voice for the people. The people wish Park County, as well as all levels of government to be fiscally responsible, and more particularly, conservative in their expenditures.

Recently released local information, indicates that Park County is decreasing in its population, its school systems are experiencing a decrease in enrollment, unemployment is on the rise and home foreclosures are looming yet, our commissioners, and particularly Commissioner John Tighe, wish to increase the potential debt, to the county taxpayer. This is, in spite of the likely reduction in most all of the county revenues.

Not that the Commissioners haven't done their homework relative to minimizing the impact to the Park Co taxpayer, but the construction of a new facility known as the Communications Center, is still a Blue Sky ambition, due to the fact that the Commissioners are planning to borrow and then spend monies, that are not yet in hand. Nor will these funds be guaranteed to arrive in the county coffers. Curiously, Mr. Tighe has in fact already admitted this possibility.

This is precisely the type of endeavor, acted out by very own public officials, that represents the financial forecasting/gambling that a majority groundswell of public opinion has recently and clearly decried throughout our nation. Everyone must remember that in the end, we as the taxpayers are the ones on-the-hook, for the government's total indebtedness!

I do understand the intricacies of public enterprise and have often used much of the same rhetoric to gain public support for similar governmental capital expenditures. However, as a taxed-enough-already citizen, I can no longer abide by our elected representatives, whom are representative of my voice within the community, to tell me what I will have, in deference to what I want or need!

Our locally elected officials must awaken to the needs of the County's citizens and acknowledge our present burdensome financial circumstances. From here on out, our elected representatives must recognize and indentify with our personal circumstances as we are all impacted by the local economic conditions relative to the rate of unemployment and from the looming threat of home foreclosure.

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11 Jan 2011 22:02 #64 by mtntrekker
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thanks to av8or and nmysys for getting the ball rolling. maybe the commissioners will take notice that there are some who are paying attention to what they are doing and are concerned.

bumper sticker - honk if you will pay my mortgage

"The problem with Socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money." attributed to Margaret Thatcher

"A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government." Thomas Jefferson

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12 Jan 2011 14:10 #65 by Mtn Gramma
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This "Modified Event Notice" has been posted for the BOCC meeting tomorrow: http://parkco.us/archives/38/011311%20agendaa.pdf

Consideration of Lease/Purchase Agreement with Chase for Equipment & Communication/IT Building
POSTPONED TO JANUARY 20, 2011


No reason given.

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12 Jan 2011 14:23 #66 by Nmysys
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Tomorrow is the day planned to actually sign the Lease Documents and finalize everything for the New Comm. Center, so they can go on and find other projects to spend money on foolishly. After all it is just the first of the year and they have this big heavy checkbook to empty.

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12 Jan 2011 15:07 #67 by Sundance
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Not having seen your filing. I could not & would not criticize any of it. But, I do know this. Groome had a conflict of interest & in the best interest & respect for all parties he himself should have recused, but this is what they all get away with all the time. The biggest conflict of fair legal reprsentation is the so-called county atty, representing 2 towns & the county. Here again, I commend you for what you tried the best you could.

Had you submitted a motion when you filed, to have another judge, it would have then gone to the District Administrator to review, based on your concern of having been the former county atty with a conflict of interest. Tipically, another judge would be brought in, not that the outcome would have been any different, but, I am sure everyone would have felt a lot better. It still goes back to the fact that Groome should have done it himself. It would have been the right thing to do. Yrs ago when the county crt judge had his law firm, he was always recusing himself in cases. The only thing he did do right was to not have you incur phillip's bogus legal fees.....

I still feel you have at least put them (commissioners) on notice & they may be wondering what more may come. The very fact they have postponed their consideration hearing says they were not sure of what would happen this week. It still makes me sick to see how they are all intertwined. I have offered my help previously & still do....

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12 Jan 2011 19:35 #68 by Nmysys
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Interesting perspective Sundance and thank you. Av8OR and I had discussed asking Judge Groome to recuse himself but decided that he should very well have heard the voices of the citizens in November. Yes, I believe he should have recused himself. left to him, he may very well have proven to hurt himself more than us. I wish those interested in this situation would read the poll I have put up on this forum as well.

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13 Jan 2011 14:45 #69 by The Boss
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Nmysys wrote: I wonder how many people in this county were actually against the Commissioners spending this kind of money in this economic climate.


What ever happened to a petition? Even short of a referendum. As with most things, I bet most could care less, just drive to Denver and earn their money and push for more laws and services.

10 people screaming still wont add up to much when there are still 10,000 people wispering and not paying attention...in fact those 10,000 want a comm center, a new rec center on every corner, new cars for every employee, new laws so that their neighbors will behave like they are in Lakewood, they want it and they have been getting it for well over a decade.

I may be one of those screaming, but 10,000>10 all the time.

The petition will keep us all honest and get us all educated. If you cannot get 1000 signitures, you have little to no real support relative to the population. If you get 1000 signitures, you will not be ignored and will be able to kick up quite a bit of dust. Internet poles and boards do nothing for the cause, they make people just feel like they have spoken out when in fact they have not, use this message as an example, it will likely be ignored.

Where do I sign?

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13 Jan 2011 14:51 #70 by The Boss
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I also contend that spending relative to economic climate only applies when the spending is all now and the income for the spending is all now, otherwise it is the climate of the past 25 and the next 25 years that needs to be considered.

So I encourage you to rethink the question. I don't want to spend, but not just because the times are bad now, because on average they are just ok up here, if that.

So many communities that built their castles to public service over the decades are firing the staff that was once in these buildings to keep up with "the times". They should not have built when times were good. This only proves your point though, that if those that did it when times are good cannot make it work, how can we do it when times are bad, and we are about to over spend on schools, just did so for emergency services, the jail, and others. The answer is we cannot, some will win over the next couple years with services and public jobs and the community will ultimately fail unless someone builds a ski resort in the county.

If your brother's family was living like the county is, you would be talking to Ma and Pa about how in only so many days or months, you are going to have to pick up the pcs.

Don't take my criticism of your wording the wrong way. A conservative spending movement will only be sustainable if it is wholistic, high spending in good times is not good for a family and it is not good for a county, so I did not want to use that as justification for the alternative, despite the fact that I generally agree.

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