I SIDE WITH THE PEOPLE!

Jonathan...(totaly gay name btw) I got to go to sleep, but before I go I'm going to advise you as if I was a friend or family member. You need to chillax. The Muslims aren't out to get you, the arabs aren't out to get you, just like the Iraq'is did'nt have weapons of mass destruction- It's just another phantom boogieman. You've been minipulated with fear again.

I set betting lines, thats what I do. I'm setting a line on the Muslims ever taking over Americas political system at 100,000,000,000,000,000,000 to 1. And i'll take your action on that. You give me a dollar and if the Muslims ever take over America in our lifetimes I'll give you a thousand trillion dollars... You know I don't remember people being this scared of Russia when they had 10,000 long range ballistic missles pointed at our heads? I think it's because the Jewish/Corporate (oil) media didn't try to scare us all the time in order to get us to use our military to control the resources and politics of that region for their own interests..Thats what I think

Rockdoc Franz wrote: Not until the majority of Egyptians stand up and make their voices clear can any foreigh entity offer help.

Do you see those guys on horses whipping women and children in Egypt? The Mubarak goons? Well thats your tax dollars at work. We paid for that...Now you're saying that the people need to step up before we help them? WTF!? Were whippin them today because they are standing up, but if they stand up some more were gonna help em......?

Good lord! You really did'nt know that Mubarak has been our puppet for the last 30 years? Heres some friendlt advice Roc- If you don't know what your talking about...DON'T TALK!

Wow! That had to be perhaps the most ignorant of all rants I've seen here.

No one was afraid of Russia, when they had missiles pointed at us? WHAT? WHAT?

Shari'a Law! Heard of it? Is it making inroads into the American Justice System? Anyone? Anyone?

Someone please rescue me from this sadly ignorant exchange.

Anyone remember the Duck and Cover Films and practical exercises from fifties and sixties.

We were not afraid of the USSR. :WWE:

Maybe something from someone who knows a bit more than any of us might help us to understand why we need to stand in support of the Egyptian citizens and not the current 'government'.


http://blogs.colgate.edu/khanegyptprimer.pdf

Background Information on Egypt
By Noor-Aiman Khan, PhD
Department of History
Colgate University
Egypt has about 80 million people and is the most populated Arab country. It is the
second-most populated African country. The per capita income is about $5,500, but the
income gap is very large, with the vast majority of people living on about $5 a day. It is a
net exporter of petroleum, but not a major one. Many Egyptians work in the petro states
or the West and send money back for their families. The three largest sources of hard
currency in Egypt are tourism, the Suez Canal, and remittances from abroad. The literacy
rate is between 60–70%, pretty good for Africa. About 85–87% of Egyptians are Sunni
Muslim and 10–12% are Coptic Christian. Egypt receives 1.3 billion in military aid from
the United States.
Despite being technically independent since 1922, Egypt has never experienced a real
democracy. It was under British colonial control until the Free Officers Revolution in
1952. Since Nasser and the Free Officers were pretty popular, the time is often looked
back on nostalgically, especially by the lower classes, but it was a military government.
Since Nasser’s death in 1970, Egypt was ruled by Anwar Sadat until he was assassinated
in 1981, and since then, by M. Hosni Mubarak. Upon coming to power, Mubarak instated
an Emergency Law, which suspended many constitutional protections and basically gave
the state complete jurisdiction for anything falling under the category “security.”
Presently, there are no guaranteed rights to privacy, free speech, assembly, press, or even
a trial. Although there are a number of members of the judiciary who have tried to
maintain its independence from the state, they are regularly thwarted and often removed
or worse.

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Jonathan Hemlock wrote: Wow! That had to be perhaps the most ignorant of all rants I've seen here.

No one was afraid of Russia, when they had missiles pointed at us? WHAT? WHAT?

Shari'a Law! Heard of it? Is it making inroads into the American Justice System? Anyone? Anyone?

Someone please rescue me from this sadly ignorant exchange.

Anyone remember the Duck and Cover Films and practical exercises from fifties and sixties.

We were not afraid of the USSR. :WWE:

lol lol

I empathize with you. Unfortunately stupidity can not be cured. Ignorance is another matter, but when you have ignorance supported by stupidity there is no hope.

I no longer waste my time responding to VL as there is nothing to be gained in terms of an intelligent exchange of ideas. You described his responses perfectly in an earlier post.

After living in the ME for 10 years and continuing to travel there frequently over this last decade, I speak from personal experience when it comes to Islam. Practices of Islam varies widely in the ME, but no matter where you go, there is an underlying thread whose precepts clash with western ideals as well as Christianity. Only under the most moderate positions is Christianity tolerated. If Islam would be content to stay in the ME, it would be one thing, but it is not destined to do so and as such it does pose a threat to our way of life. For those who believe that our system of government will stand up and "protect" us (as some believe) from Islamic practices or even rule, I only hope they do not live long enough to experience it first hand. It's not going to be pretty. Look anywhere in the world where Islam and Christianity try to co-exists and all you see is friction and secular clashes. A central principle of Islam is that it lays out for you what you must do. I submit this is one of the reasons why autocracies have been so popular for such a long time, they share this perspective of "do as I say". Until this precept changes within the Muslim community as a whole, there will be no comfort by Muslim masses in democracy or freedom. They simply are not accustomed to it and puts them outside their comfort zone. Different perspectives prevail among those Muslims who have been fortunate enough to travel and live in more democratic societies where freedom exists. They are a minority, but the most influential. They are the ones who must be charged with initiating change within their countries both in terms of how their people are governed and in educating the masses of the possibilities that other forms of government hold for them.

The current Egyptian uprising has its roots (at least in part) in the educated class seizing the moment on the coat tails of Tunisia's rebellion. Unfortunately, there is a fundamental difference between the two. The masses led the revolt in Tunisia, but are not a major part of it in Egypt. Without their support and show of strength, Egypt will not change unless outside forces step in in support. We in the West have a huge vested interest in seeing the seeds of democracy sown, but not at the expense of loosing a favored nation status. Consequently, it's a tricky business and I do not expect the US taking a firm stand.

Egypt does not hold the same economic importance as Iraq or Kuwait, much less say Saudi Arabia. It simply does not have the oil reserves. We saw what happened in the Iraq and Kuwait conflict. Decisive action on the pretense of massive weapons of destruction. I believe fear over a disruption of the oil supply was more important. If so, wait and see how quickly, the US comes to the aid of the Saudi King, once a uprising takes place there. My Saudi friends have long whispered about internal unrest, so it is only a matter of time. Were a few more ME countries to rise up against their autocratic rulers, I would not be surprised for the damed up unrest in Saudi to breach its confines as well.

Hey, RockDoc F.

I guess most everyone in this Forum is done with discussing Egypt.

Its not in the news today, so I guess its no longer important that the Egyptian people are sacraficing their lives for their individual freedoms!

Or maybe this issue, to Americans, is nothing more than one more devisive event ocurring in the world which causes us here, at home, to become further divided between a Liberal Elite, who so callously imply our Nation is at fault for all of this, and the remainder of us, who think there is clearly a negative outcome from the MB gaining control in one more Middle-East nation.

You know who I'm referring to: Those Americans who represent a Majority and truly are the most common of the American People.

Funny, the only ones I see trying to make a case that "our nation is at fault" are the Rightie-Elites who want to hang everything from Egypt to global hangnails on Obama... I've never seen so much crap-spinning in my life...

Perhaps you need to go watch some GlennBeck-toons about "global caliphates"... Brush up on the finer points of insanity.

You guys are gonna need a LOT more tinfoil... (I understand Costco sells in bulk...Perhaps you can get a discount price on big lots?)

Oh my God!

Jonathan Hemlock wrote: Oh my God!

Simply true to form. Not one bit of intelligent information, but a broken record rant. It be one thing if there were something there to entertain or discuses, but instead.. vacuum, or dead space. Oh I digress.

It will be interesting to see who the Egyptian interim government will be that our current admin is urging onward.

Jonathan Hemlock wrote: Hey, RockDoc F.

I guess most everyone in this Forum is done with discussing Egypt.

Its not in the news today, so I guess its no longer important that the Egyptian people are sacraficing their lives for their individual freedoms!

Oh please, it was all over the news today just as it has been since it began.

Or maybe this issue, to Americans, is nothing more than one more devisive event ocurring in the world which causes us here, at home, to become further divided between a Liberal Elite, who so callously imply our Nation is at fault for all of this, and the remainder of us, who think there is clearly a negative outcome from the MB gaining control in one more Middle-East nation.

Do you have a reference for liberals implying that our nation is at fault? I haven't seen anything to that effect anywhere.

the we versus them mentality that you display in your post is exactly what helps keep our nation divided.

I believe all/most Americans are very concerned for the Egyptian people and their desire for a free society, for what the consequences of this protest may be for them, the region, and yes for the US. There is something almost surreal about being able to view it nightly on TV, to see the images, to read the facebook posts and the tweets, to feel almost as if you are there.......We can but hope for the best for the Egyptians, we can not, should not, interfere.....and they seem to be doing very well on their own. This is their destiny at stake, their freedoms, and their country.