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Update regarding the CommunityBound/My Mountain Town Dispute
02 Jan 2014 09:54 #41
by ScienceChic
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Replied by ScienceChic on topic Update regarding the CommunityBound/My Mountain Town Dispute
Good questions pacamom, thanks.
Top buttons:
If you click on any of the icons at the top, that will take you to the My Mountain Town Facebook page , @MyMountainTown Twitter account , and My Mountain Town Google+ account (I still need to finish building that yet - I could also really use 9 more followers there so I can get my vanity url name!) so that you can follow us on those social media accounts (as a whole, as you put it). Any updates on those accounts, not here on the forums, will show up on your own Facebook page, Twitter account, etc. as if you had Liked us by finding us in Facebook or through a Google search for example.
Side icons:
If you click on a side icon, you will share the link only to the page that you are on. It's just like Sharing on Facebook - when you click it, it opens up a new box with the thumbnail image, title of the thread with link, and a dialog box where you can make a comment if you'd like. It does not automatically Share, you must click Share Link or Tweet. (The examples below I made from the Home Page, that's why they don't have the title of a thread in them.) Once you Share this to your own profile, you will get notifications from Facebook, Twitter, etc if there are comments or Likes made on that FB or Twitter post (if you have notifications turned on), but it won't let you know if there is more activity on the thread here on MMT. For that you have to Subscribe to the Topic, or Subscribe to the Forum. A note about that: every time you receive an email notifying you that there is a new reply to a topic, or a new thread in a forum, if you don't click a link in that email to take you to MMT, then the system will not send you any further email notifications about any forums until you go back to that email and click the link. Or Unsubcribe and re-Subscribe here on the forum.
On Facebook, you can even select with whom you wish to share this in the drop-down menu - Friends, Public, etc., or if you are an admin on any Business Pages, you can select to which Timeline to post (for me, I can choose my personal one, My Mountain Town's page, the 285 Tourism Facebook page, etc - below I know it's my personal page because of the photo at the top right-hand corner)
On Twitter, you can delete the highlighted text and enter what you'd like, add hashtags to categorize your post (e.g. #cofire, #Jeffco, #music, #kidsactivities), mention people to tag them (e.g. @MyMountainTown, @BrooksPlaceTav, @jeffcosheriffco), etc.
On LinkedIn, again you can choose whether to share it with Connections you have, or Groups to which you belong.
I didn't do an example for Google because I'm not logged in - it brings up a box with a ton of options, including Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
Now that the holiday is past, I've sent a follow up request to see if we can make the hide option more permanent. As I mentioned earlier, I'll share that as soon as I know. My apologies for the delay.
Top buttons:
If you click on any of the icons at the top, that will take you to the My Mountain Town Facebook page , @MyMountainTown Twitter account , and My Mountain Town Google+ account (I still need to finish building that yet - I could also really use 9 more followers there so I can get my vanity url name!) so that you can follow us on those social media accounts (as a whole, as you put it). Any updates on those accounts, not here on the forums, will show up on your own Facebook page, Twitter account, etc. as if you had Liked us by finding us in Facebook or through a Google search for example.
Side icons:
If you click on a side icon, you will share the link only to the page that you are on. It's just like Sharing on Facebook - when you click it, it opens up a new box with the thumbnail image, title of the thread with link, and a dialog box where you can make a comment if you'd like. It does not automatically Share, you must click Share Link or Tweet. (The examples below I made from the Home Page, that's why they don't have the title of a thread in them.) Once you Share this to your own profile, you will get notifications from Facebook, Twitter, etc if there are comments or Likes made on that FB or Twitter post (if you have notifications turned on), but it won't let you know if there is more activity on the thread here on MMT. For that you have to Subscribe to the Topic, or Subscribe to the Forum. A note about that: every time you receive an email notifying you that there is a new reply to a topic, or a new thread in a forum, if you don't click a link in that email to take you to MMT, then the system will not send you any further email notifications about any forums until you go back to that email and click the link. Or Unsubcribe and re-Subscribe here on the forum.
On Facebook, you can even select with whom you wish to share this in the drop-down menu - Friends, Public, etc., or if you are an admin on any Business Pages, you can select to which Timeline to post (for me, I can choose my personal one, My Mountain Town's page, the 285 Tourism Facebook page, etc - below I know it's my personal page because of the photo at the top right-hand corner)
On Twitter, you can delete the highlighted text and enter what you'd like, add hashtags to categorize your post (e.g. #cofire, #Jeffco, #music, #kidsactivities), mention people to tag them (e.g. @MyMountainTown, @BrooksPlaceTav, @jeffcosheriffco), etc.
On LinkedIn, again you can choose whether to share it with Connections you have, or Groups to which you belong.
I didn't do an example for Google because I'm not logged in - it brings up a box with a ton of options, including Facebook, Twitter, Google, etc.
Now that the holiday is past, I've sent a follow up request to see if we can make the hide option more permanent. As I mentioned earlier, I'll share that as soon as I know. My apologies for the delay.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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09 Jan 2014 10:36 #49
by ScienceChic
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
Replied by ScienceChic on topic Update regarding the CommunityBound/My Mountain Town Dispute
A little perspective, Ridegway. My original post was back on Dec 19th, and yes I will make periodic public updates as this is a public forum and what's going on affects everyone. It was a factual statement made about the status of the dispute, which hadn't been done since I'd officially filed the lawsuit in September. Every other post are other people's comments which they are certainly free to make as that's the point of a forum, or my replies concerning technical issues that were brought up.
Rick, there's always more to this story. I will say this: I have always worked to promote EvergreenBound, in my own area and in Evergreen. Cabinish knows this too. I have never had any issue with Cabinish and I've always wished her well and done my best to help her, and I know that she was grateful of my help as I was of hers when she helped promote me - that was what affiliates were supposed to do for one another. I was told it was bothering her that people learned of EGBound from me, and I don't know if that was true or not, but when told that the day before Mother's Day of this year, that's when I finally stopped telling people of EGBound.
We have collaborated on ads - all of the ones in the Mountain Neighbor that she mentioned above, say 285Bound, EvergreenBound, and FlatIronsBound on them - because we wanted to show that we worked together as affiliates and help share the expensive costs of advertising. That Evergreen Chamber Hot Deal she posted above is only one of two I put up, the other that she didn't post is this offering a discount for both sites only if advertising on both: http://business.evergreenchamber.org/Ho ... 08-07-2012
I also made the same offer on the Conifer Chamber website and I explained to her at that time that I put the one exclusive to 285Bound in as well because I was afraid that the Chambers would not be happy with me offering advertising discounts involving a non-chamber member. She also knows that I joined the Evergreen Chamber in order to promote the 285 Corridor and help support my area by letting people in Evergreen know what was happening over here in Conifer and Bailey (I'm Chair of the 285Tourism Committee for the Conifer & Platte Canyon Chambers of Commerce as well), not to "poach" on her members or advertisers or grow my business in her area. The whole goal was always collaboration and mutual support.
I have made offers to my own advertisers for discounts if they advertise with both of us, I have gotten advertisers to sign up with us both, I have put EGBound materials out at my booths and never asked for EGBound to chip in on the booth fees. The only event I've ever sponsored in Evergreen is EAPL's Oktoberpets or Barks & Belts, and I did that in continuation of Jim and Robin's sponsoring that event before I even bought 285Bound. And I requested that EGBound co-sponsor with me - this year she agreed, then declined at the last minute due to unexpected expenses.
The only video that is up on the EvergreenBound YouTube Channel is the Evergreen Fire Recall Debate that I attended, with Cabinish, recorded, then went home and literally pulled an all-nighter processing and uploading. Not to my YouTube account, or even 285Bound, but to hers. That benefited me in no way, and she did say thank you and I am grateful that my efforts were appreciated. And I'd do it again. All of that discussion on that issue, even though there was extensive discussion on Pinecam which covers my area more than Evergreen, I didn't encourage anyone to have it here, even though that would've helped me against my competitor, I sent them there to help her.
As for getting advertisers in Evergreen - that was a tradition started long before she or I owned our sites, nor is there anything in the contract that prohibits that either, by the way. One of the Evergreen advertisers that 285Bound had for a while was one that Cabinish herself even specifically requested we add to the site and helped make happen. If anyone's interested, go do a search for EvergreenBound.com or 285Bound.com on the Wayback Machine Internet Archive and see how many Evergreen advertisers we've actually had (3: if you include EDS Waste which actually served both areas and was based out of Golden. Relax Salon, which has since opened a store in Conifer and discontinued advertising with me but I had encouraged to join EGBound and she did, and The Sanctuary who is also on EGBound) vs how many Conifer & Bailey advertisers have been on EGBound at some point (7: OmShanti Yoga Wear, Taspen's Organics, Clear View Window Tinting, 285 Sports Grill, Carpet Direct, Inglenook Energy, and Diane Glover).
November 10, 2010:
March 7, 2011:
Current:
I'm not doing anything that Robin herself hadn't done as the owner of 285Bound before I, nor that she isn't doing herself now - just check out the request she made Dec 19th (the day we were supposed to be in court together) looking for new webcam hosts ..in Conifer AND Evergreen. And no, she didn't cross-post that on EvergreenBound, that request is on 285Bound ONLY.
Cabinish, we had a great professional relationship, we used to work together very well, bouncing ideas off each other, commiserating at shared difficulties and laughing at absurdities, sending tips, potential leads, things to post, heads-up about problems, etc and I truly miss that. When I watch what Robin is doing with 285Bound - paying to promote it on Facebook, for example, to go from 33 Followers in one day to over 3,000 only two days later just to artificially boost her numbers, yet not her own SmokyHillBound site which looks to me like it's essentially been abandoned - she hasn't even posted for her own advertisers in over a year - and I see her posting Evergreen news on there and the 285 site as well, I wonder when the harm will end. When I did this upgrade, I specifically stated that I would stay in the network and fulfill my obligations, and if she hadn't done what she did, we could still be collaborating. When I see a new advertiser on 285Bound that should've been mine, and I see her boosting those 285Bound social media sites she started after she took control of 285Bound away from me, I wonder at your comment that she isn't doing this to make a profit. I am still paying her every month for my fees, though I'm getting no benefit from it as I've been shut out of the network, just so you know. She is running a Bound site in the same exact territory that I signed to operate in; that is a breach of contract.
Yes, Rick this harm has extended beyond me but not at my hands.
Rick, there's always more to this story. I will say this: I have always worked to promote EvergreenBound, in my own area and in Evergreen. Cabinish knows this too. I have never had any issue with Cabinish and I've always wished her well and done my best to help her, and I know that she was grateful of my help as I was of hers when she helped promote me - that was what affiliates were supposed to do for one another. I was told it was bothering her that people learned of EGBound from me, and I don't know if that was true or not, but when told that the day before Mother's Day of this year, that's when I finally stopped telling people of EGBound.
We have collaborated on ads - all of the ones in the Mountain Neighbor that she mentioned above, say 285Bound, EvergreenBound, and FlatIronsBound on them - because we wanted to show that we worked together as affiliates and help share the expensive costs of advertising. That Evergreen Chamber Hot Deal she posted above is only one of two I put up, the other that she didn't post is this offering a discount for both sites only if advertising on both: http://business.evergreenchamber.org/Ho ... 08-07-2012
I also made the same offer on the Conifer Chamber website and I explained to her at that time that I put the one exclusive to 285Bound in as well because I was afraid that the Chambers would not be happy with me offering advertising discounts involving a non-chamber member. She also knows that I joined the Evergreen Chamber in order to promote the 285 Corridor and help support my area by letting people in Evergreen know what was happening over here in Conifer and Bailey (I'm Chair of the 285Tourism Committee for the Conifer & Platte Canyon Chambers of Commerce as well), not to "poach" on her members or advertisers or grow my business in her area. The whole goal was always collaboration and mutual support.
I have made offers to my own advertisers for discounts if they advertise with both of us, I have gotten advertisers to sign up with us both, I have put EGBound materials out at my booths and never asked for EGBound to chip in on the booth fees. The only event I've ever sponsored in Evergreen is EAPL's Oktoberpets or Barks & Belts, and I did that in continuation of Jim and Robin's sponsoring that event before I even bought 285Bound. And I requested that EGBound co-sponsor with me - this year she agreed, then declined at the last minute due to unexpected expenses.
The only video that is up on the EvergreenBound YouTube Channel is the Evergreen Fire Recall Debate that I attended, with Cabinish, recorded, then went home and literally pulled an all-nighter processing and uploading. Not to my YouTube account, or even 285Bound, but to hers. That benefited me in no way, and she did say thank you and I am grateful that my efforts were appreciated. And I'd do it again. All of that discussion on that issue, even though there was extensive discussion on Pinecam which covers my area more than Evergreen, I didn't encourage anyone to have it here, even though that would've helped me against my competitor, I sent them there to help her.
As for getting advertisers in Evergreen - that was a tradition started long before she or I owned our sites, nor is there anything in the contract that prohibits that either, by the way. One of the Evergreen advertisers that 285Bound had for a while was one that Cabinish herself even specifically requested we add to the site and helped make happen. If anyone's interested, go do a search for EvergreenBound.com or 285Bound.com on the Wayback Machine Internet Archive and see how many Evergreen advertisers we've actually had (3: if you include EDS Waste which actually served both areas and was based out of Golden. Relax Salon, which has since opened a store in Conifer and discontinued advertising with me but I had encouraged to join EGBound and she did, and The Sanctuary who is also on EGBound) vs how many Conifer & Bailey advertisers have been on EGBound at some point (7: OmShanti Yoga Wear, Taspen's Organics, Clear View Window Tinting, 285 Sports Grill, Carpet Direct, Inglenook Energy, and Diane Glover).
November 10, 2010:
March 7, 2011:
Current:
I'm not doing anything that Robin herself hadn't done as the owner of 285Bound before I, nor that she isn't doing herself now - just check out the request she made Dec 19th (the day we were supposed to be in court together) looking for new webcam hosts ..in Conifer AND Evergreen. And no, she didn't cross-post that on EvergreenBound, that request is on 285Bound ONLY.
Cabinish, we had a great professional relationship, we used to work together very well, bouncing ideas off each other, commiserating at shared difficulties and laughing at absurdities, sending tips, potential leads, things to post, heads-up about problems, etc and I truly miss that. When I watch what Robin is doing with 285Bound - paying to promote it on Facebook, for example, to go from 33 Followers in one day to over 3,000 only two days later just to artificially boost her numbers, yet not her own SmokyHillBound site which looks to me like it's essentially been abandoned - she hasn't even posted for her own advertisers in over a year - and I see her posting Evergreen news on there and the 285 site as well, I wonder when the harm will end. When I did this upgrade, I specifically stated that I would stay in the network and fulfill my obligations, and if she hadn't done what she did, we could still be collaborating. When I see a new advertiser on 285Bound that should've been mine, and I see her boosting those 285Bound social media sites she started after she took control of 285Bound away from me, I wonder at your comment that she isn't doing this to make a profit. I am still paying her every month for my fees, though I'm getting no benefit from it as I've been shut out of the network, just so you know. She is running a Bound site in the same exact territory that I signed to operate in; that is a breach of contract.
Yes, Rick this harm has extended beyond me but not at my hands.
"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther
The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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