New PP Report Record Abortions Done 2009

major bean wrote: You are no more philosophical than that? "Laws are what the Supreme Court SAYS they are"? You have not studied history, humanities, civics, or anything? Do you know nothing of The Code of Hammurabi, the laws of Solon, and everything that followed since?

If you have no concept of the foundations of government and law, then you cannot be reasoned with because of your ignorance.

Well isn't that an interesting take on American laws....But squeal all you want....the Supreme Court made Roe v Wade the law of the land....it is what it is.......you don't have to agree with it, just abide by it. Whatever you think about abortion is nothing more than your opinion....and in this country you get to have whatever opinion you want. Also in this country....we abide by it's laws, or face the consequences. Abortion is legal.....THAT is the bottom line. Trying to denigrate or demean those who are law abiding citizens because they don't live up to your personal moral code might make you feel better, but it accomplishes nothing.

The liberals have no moral absolutes, that's why we cannot discuss the murder of babies in the womb..they want to kill unborn children, but protect killers in jail...they want to kill unborn children, but want to protect the rights of the spotted owls..they go nuts when baby seals are clubbed on the head for their pelts, but say nothing when a unborn baby is sucked out of its mothers womb, and you wonder about us who want to protect these children?

archer, lets just say your mother wanted to abort you, and you had the final say in what would happen, would you tell your mother go ahead I am OK with it, or tell her "hell no."

hmmmmm....according to the law it is not killing, it is not murder, it is NOT illegal.

I have lots of moral absolutes, the difference between you and me outdoor is I don't try to make my moral absolutes yours. You get to believe what you want.....so do I......you choose to bash people over the head with yours, I don't. The law is the law and that's what is important in this discussion....trying to make people who abide by the law into murderers is dishonest at best. Unless, or until, the law is changed you are just whistling in the wind here trying to make black into white. You can call liberals murders of babies all you want...but the law is on their side. Gee...has a conservative ever had an abortion? probably......and they too are within the law. Bluster all you want......liberals and those conservatives who believe in this law probably don't much care what you post.

outdoor338 wrote: archer, lets just say your mother wanted to abort you, and you had the final say in what would happen, would you tell your mother go ahead I am OK with it, or tell her "hell no."

Not a scenario that is realistic enough to even respond to outdoor.

archer you got some explaining to do...found several of these!

A judge has ruled that a Pennsylvania boy, who was only 11 years old when he was accused of shooting his father's pregnant girlfriend in the back of the head with a shotgun, will be tried as an adult. Jordan Brown faces first-degree murder charges for both Kenzie Marie Houk and her unborn child.
Brown, 12, could face life in prison if convicted in adult court.

"This offense was an execution-style killing of a defenseless pregnant young mother. A more horrific crime is difficult to imagine," Lawrence County Judge Dominick Motto said.

Brown is accused of taking his youth-model 20-gauge shotgun into Houk's bedroom on Feb. 20, 2009 and shooting her in the back of the head while she was laying on the bed. She was 8-1/2 months pregnant at the time. Prosecutors said he was jealous of his father's new girlfriend and her unborn son.

I know what your answer would be if you had a say in your mothers aborting you, in fact we all do, you would say "hell no." To bad you can't even be honest in answering the question..

Misleading Claims about Abortion

CLAIM: “It’s my body.”

ANSWER: A woman’s body does not have two beating hearts, two blood types, two heads, four eyes, four arms, and four legs. A pregnant woman and her baby have all this and more. And what about when she’s pregnant with a male baby? That’s not her body... it’s a unique, baby boy growing in her womb.

CLAIM: “It’s only a fetus.”
ANSWER: Fetus — literally meaning “little one” in Latin — refers to the preborn baby after eight weeks gestation. Webster’s Dictionary states that a fetus has “passed the early stages of development and attained the basic final form prior to parturition (birth).” Some people seem to have forgotten they once lived and grew in the womb as a “fetus.” Would it have been okay if they had been aborted when they were “only a fetus?”

CLAIM: “Abortion is legal; therefore, it must be right.”
ANSWER: The U.S. Supreme Court has been wrong on many major decisions and then overturned itself. Remember the Dred Scott case on slavery? If the Supreme Court suddenly declared child abuse or rape legal, would that make them right? Would we ignore such injustices and do nothing to protect the innocent?

CLAIM: “Freedom of choice” and “It’s a woman’s right to choose!”
ANSWER: How can anyone claim they have the “freedom” or “right” to kill an innocent baby? The only “choice” in abortion is between a dead baby and a live baby. Plus, those who defend this “choice” aren’t consistent. Why is it only in the case of abortion they argue that “choice” should be absolute? Using the same rationale, wouldn’t people have the right to “choose” to use drugs (“it’s my body”) or the right to “choose” to practice prostitution? Humane societies don’t tell people they have a “freedom of choice” to kill their own children. There are right choices and wrong choices. In recent history, millions of innocent people died because of terribly wrong choices that slave owners and Nazis thought they had a “right” to make. Terrible choices have led to dead slaves, dead Jews and dead babies.

CLAIM: “The government shouldn’t interfere.”
ANSWER: Our Declaration of Independence declares that each of us has an “inalienable right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness.” Thomas Jefferson defined government’s role: “The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only object of good government.” Government should protect all of us, especially before we are born, when we are most vulnerable.

CLAIM: “Poor women need public funds (your tax money) to pay for abortions so they will not be discriminated against.”

ANSWER: The rich can readily afford cocaine and prostitutes. Should taxpayers also be forced to buy these for the poor? The bottom line is that abortion is the worst form of child abuse. It kills a baby and wounds the mother for life. If the poor cannot afford abortions, they and their children are blessed not to become victims of this bloody holocaust.

CLAIM: “I’m personally opposed to abortion, but I don’t want to impose my morality on others.”
ANSWER: What about other moral issues such as rape, robbery, child abuse, arson and murder? What if politicians said, “I’m personally opposed, but. . .” about racism? They’d be kicked out of office on the spot! What about slavery? If abolitionists had bought this “personally opposed, but” argument, some states could still be saddled with slavery today. Every law ever passed sets standards that reflect someone’s (or a body of lawmakers’) morality. A politician who won’t vote against something he/she is morally opposed to doesn’t have an ounce of honesty in his/her blood.

CLAIM: Privacy — In 1973, The Supreme Court said women have a “constitutional right” to “privacy” on abortion.

ANSWER: The Court was wrong. Nobody has a right to injure or kill another person “privately.” Does a right to “privacy” also protect parents who abuse, molest or kill their born children in the “privacy” of their home? Why not? What about their “right to privacy?” How is it that Roe v. Wade determined that unborn children are not “persons” even though they have the right to inherit property, the right to be protected from a drug-addicted mother, the right not to be killed by a drunk driver, and many other rights? Some states have entire sections of law outlining crimes against unborn children in which they’re protected from negligent or willful harm or death from conception on.

CLAIM: “Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade aren’t comparable.”
ANSWER: Yes, they are comparable in that the Supreme Court was wrong to deny inalienable rights in both cases. The Dred Scott decision of 1857 upheld slavery as legal. It decreed that black people are the private property of the slave owners. This was a grave error of the Supreme Court, denying African Americans one of their most fundamental human rights — the right to liberty. In Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court erred again by denying a whole class of human beings (preborn babies) the most fundamental right — the right to life.

CLAIM: “If legal abortions are banned, women will resort to dangerous back alley abortions.”
ANSWER: In 1972, the year before the Supreme Court legalized abortion, a total of 39 women died from illegal abortions, according to the U.S. Centers for Disease Control. Dr. Bernard Nathanson, co-founder of NARAL (National Abortion Rights Action League), admits his group lied and inflated the number of women who died from illegal abortion when testifying before the U.S. Supreme Court in 1972: “We spoke of 5,000 to 10,000 deaths a year. I confess that I knew the figures were totally false. . .. it was a useful figure, widely accepted, so why go out of our way to correct it with honest statistics?” Claims that abortion became safer for women after it was legalized fail to acknowledge that large numbers of women are physically injured or killed by so-called safe and legal abortions every year. The book Lime 5 documents 230 cases of women injured or killed by abortion or sexually assaulted by their abortionists (see page 18 and [url=http://www.prolife.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]http://www.prolife.com[/url] for details). Former abortion provider Carol Everett states, “In the last 18 months I was in business [she ran four abortion centers in Texas in 1982], we were completing 500 abortions monthly and killing or maiming one woman out of 500.”

CLAIM: Rape and incest — “Abortion should be legal to end a pregnancy resulting from rape or incest.”
ANSWER: It’s important to remember that the child conceived through rape or incest is no less human than any other child. Dr. David Reardon ([url=http://www.afterabortion.org" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]http://www.afterabortion.org[/url]) points out that abortion is the very worst “solution” that we can offer to the pregnant woman at this crisis time in her life. Abortion compounds her problems. Abortion makes her an aggressor against her own innocent child and it never makes the painful memories of rape go away. If a small child were killed in the street by a negligent driver and it was later determined that the child had been conceived in rape, would the driver be held less responsible? Is that child’s death less tragic?


CLAIM: “It’s a woman’s issue. Men should have no say.”
ANSWER: Every baby has a mother and a father. Why should fathers be denied their parental rights? Why shouldn’t men defend the innocent and the weak? More than half of America’s pro-life movement is made up of women who ask men to join their cause. Many women become pro-life after discovering their own abortion was a terrible mistake. They discover how painful abortion is from first-hand experience, then they ask men to help expose abortion so that fewer women and babies become victims.

what part of "abortion as a choice by women is legal in this country" don't you understand? You have absolutely no idea what my personal feelings are on abortion.....because it is none of your business. You choose to make your feelings on it known, ad infinitum. Who cares? It is still legal. If someone else makes the decision for a woman (kills her unborn child) that is illegal......duh, it wasn't HER choice. I cannot believe you are so ignorant as to not understand this.....the law is the law, like it or not. And whether or not I agree with you, or the rest of this board agrees with you, or half the nation agrees with you.....doesn't change that FACT. Sheesh...talk about dense brain cells.....legal is legal.....that's it.

according to the law it is not killing, it is not murder, it is NOT illegal.

Then what do you call ripping the arms and legs off of an unborn child and sucking his brains out of the back of his head, via a stab in the lower part of the skull?

Oh I forgot...it's "choice".

You people.....skip the drama and deal with the reality....unless or until it is made a crime, a woman has the LEGAL right to have an abortion. Just like I have the legal right to carry a gun and defend myself.....just like states have a legal right to inject poison into someones body and kill them......a lot of people don't like that, but it's legal. You can whine and yell and scream and cry all you want.....it's still legal.

Really pisses you off right? Then.... duh.....don't have an abortion. And if you are still pissed off, take it up with the Supreme Court. But if you think for one minute that making abortion illegal again will stop abortions, then you are living in some sort of fantasy land.....this country has been there....and it didn't stop abortions, just made them more dangerous and made a lot of money for illegal abortionists. You probably don't remember those days. Although there have been a few on here that deny abortions ever happened before they were made legal. Another right wing fantasy that is perpetuated here.

Ahhhh reality, something you might want to look into trouble.....then learn how to deal with it.