Don't Let the Republicans kill Medicare!

Whatevergreen wrote: So much left and right off topic spinning it's a small wonder this site has not spun into orbit or or down to Hades...

Um, actually I'd pretty much agree that it IS "out there" in outer space. Hades isn't a bad guess either.

Well you two Liberals, being smarter than the rest of us, should either start your own site, or your own thread to complain to each other then.

It was fine until it is shown that one of yours is just as guilty, if not more so, than Bearmtn. Let's all band together to stop this now that the tide has turned against LJ.

Funny how that comes after LJ calls it LIES.

Regardless of the title here, the Ryan plan won't kill Medicare, but it would sure change it.

He proposes paying on average an $11,000 voucher (the current average cost per person under Medicare). It would be adjusted for inflation, but using a mix of the Consumer Price Index and a medical component of it. It would not keep up with true medical insurance cost increases, so out of pocket expenses would go up and up. One thing it calls for, which I'd think most people would hate, is that you need to send results of a physical to the government for review if you want to claim you are higher risk and need a larger voucher. Do you want the government looking at the results of your physical?

From his plan...

Risk Adjustment. When the plan is fully implemented, Medicare beneficiaries will receive on average the standard $11,000, with the flexibility to receive a positive adjustment of that amount based on a risk-assessment from their chosen health plan. Once enrolled, beneficiaries may complete initial health exams through their insurance plans to determine whether they are eligible to receive a higher risk-adjusted payments. Each health plan must submit to the Medicare program any necessary results of the exam for Medicare to determine an adjusted risk-assessment.

http://www.roadmap.republicans.budget.house.gov/plan/#Healthsecurity

Of course the Democrats would never increase the out of pocket cost of Medicare under their plan, but wait, where is their plan? Obama gave no details in his recent speech. Look, Medicare is a mess right now and unless Democrats want a big tax increase, they will have to reduce benefits as well. But they won't propose that, instead they want a bipartisan commission to make a proposal. Well, Obama already had one and they proposed reducing benefits too. Plus I think they indexed to the CPI as well, but need to recheck.

For me, I'd rather stick to a government plan than go to private insurance. The studies I've seen say it would cost less (but pay less to providers). I think we are going to have to start means testing to save Medicare. Plus other cost savings which I won't go into right now. But benefits will have to be reduced too, whether it's a Republican plan or a Democrat plan.

Nmysys wrote: Well you two Liberals, being smarter than the rest of us, should either start your own site, or your own thread to complain to each other then.

It was fine until it is shown that one of yours is just as guilty, if not more so, than Bearmtn. Let's all band together to stop this now that the tide has turned against LJ.

Funny how that comes after LJ calls it LIES.

Into the Kool-Aid again?... :Koolaid: The "tide has not turned" against me... BearMtn is still a neo-con liar....And yes, apparently most of us ARE smarter than you two.

BearMtn's posts are out there... He lied about it... and this time you can't ride to his rescue....

Does medicare cover the drugs that are giving you these hallucinations nmysys?......Whatever LJ has posted will never come close to BearMtnHIB's hate filled posts about killing off liberals so there is no opposition to the conservative agenda....then to use great Americans to try and support his murderous intentions is about as un-American as it gets.

....................and not once, not ever that I can find, have any of the conservative gang here even suggested that they think BearMtnHIB was wrong......so yeah, we understand where you all are coming from, and it does not bode well for the future of this country. Urging one party to kill off the other party's members because they have differing opinions .....that is so far out there it's well off the charts....and you all apparently agree.

When that thread was active, I asked conservatives is this how you think, is this the solution you want for America, and no one would denounce it. Trying to make LJ out to be the villain shows just how delusional you all have become, and how much you are trying to spin the attention away from conservative hate speech. I'm glad this thread brought it back up, we need to be reminded of just how far conservatives are willing to go to squelch free speech and thought.....as far as killing off the opposition.

An $11,000 voucher is a hell of a lot more than a private insurance plan would cost.

And that dear posters is how threads degenerate.........once we find out how the other "side" really feels about us...it gets a lot harder to be civil. I don't like knowing this about others, I don't like thinking that I have a neighbor, or neighbors, that dislike my politics so much that they would wish me dead.

How do we ever heal this kind of rift in our country? Can it be healed? Do we even want to work things out between the two parties or do we actually enjoy the hostilities.

BearMtnHIB wrote: An $11,000 voucher is a hell of a lot more than a private insurance plan would cost.

Actually no it isn't....if you scroll up a few pages you will find that I was paying $10800/year before I had any pre existing conditions, and before I had turned 65. Health insurance goes up exponentially with age. Are you willing to pass laws forcing ins companies to insure seniors...and setting what they can charge?

I don't wish you dead Archer- you and LJ are hysterical.

I don't know where you two get your drugs from, but your pretty disconnected from reality.

The encroachment that they warned us about has already happened. Unless there is an uprising against socialism- you guys are right- we're already there.

"There are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the of the people by the gradual and silent encroachment of those in power, than by violent and sudden usurpation."

James Madison

"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." -- Sinclair Lewis
"Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel" -- Samuel Johnson (1775)

You're pretty hysterical too...for a certifiable sociopath.