IT'S THE REPUBLICANS ECONOMY NOW

navycpo7 wrote: Archer, the blame game is old. When bush was in office he got the blame, when he left office he got the blame, Obama been in office over two year Bush gets the blame. .

Navy if your wife put 50k on a credit card last year, and you had to get a second job to pay it off this year, and she complained that youre spending too much money on gas to get to that second job, what would you say?

I think you'd say f%#@ you Honey.

F-You Navy.

Navy... I respectfully disagree. The blame game is exactly what we need right now. People need to understand how we got where we are today, who contributed to our current situation, why elections have consequences. Having recovered from my anger fit yesterday....yes I do understand that the blame needs to be spread pretty equally between the parties
The seeds for this situation were planted decades ago....and have been ignored by each party ever since. But I firmly believe that there is a small group of people, AKA the Tea Party, who have taken this opportunity to promote not a viable solution but an ideology that could be very bad for this nation.

I can't stay silent when I feel that strongly about an immediate threat.

archer wrote: Navy... I respectfully disagree. The blame game is exactly what we need right now. People need to understand how we got where we are today, who contributed to our current situation, why elections have consequences. Having recovered from my anger fit yesterday....yes I do understand that the blame needs to be spread pretty equally between the parties
The seeds for this situation were planted decades ago....and have been ignored by each party ever since. But I firmly believe that there is a small group of people, AKA the Tea Party, who have taken this opportunity to promote not a viable solution but an ideology that could be very bad for this nation.

I can't stay silent when I feel that strongly abou an immediate threat.

OK, time to educate you again. The head of the S&P on this morning said that $4 trillion would have been closer to what they were looking for and they heard it from from Obama, (but he never had a bill) and Paul Ryan's bill. So they would have been happy with Pau Ryans bill but Obama and the Dems said no. Then we had the Cut, Cap and Balance which would have cut over $4 trillion but Obama and the Dems said now. The reason we are downgraded maily is because the out of control debt and no prospect in the near future for serious reduction in that debt. You can blame the Tea Party all you want but for 4 years the Dems have spent like crazy and in the last 2 years with obama and the dems in TOTAL control, they never even once brought up cutting spending! They never passed a budget for 2 years. Finally America got tired of it and voted in people who wanted to stop the spending and NO they are not ALL Tea Party congressmen. And those people step in and bring up stopping the out of control spending for the first time in years and you Libs get your feeling hurt for getting your hand slapped and someone finally doing what we should have done years ago. NOW you want to blame them for being the ONLY ones who brought up cutting the deficit? Are you that out of touch with reality?

The Viking wrote:

archer wrote: Navy... I respectfully disagree. The blame game is exactly what we need right now. People need to understand how we got where we are today, who contributed to our current situation, why elections have consequences. Having recovered from my anger fit yesterday....yes I do understand that the blame needs to be spread pretty equally between the parties
The seeds for this situation were planted decades ago....and have been ignored by each party ever since. But I firmly believe that there is a small group of people, AKA the Tea Party, who have taken this opportunity to promote not a viable solution but an ideology that could be very bad for this nation.

I can't stay silent when I feel that strongly abou an immediate threat.

OK, time to educate you again. The head of the S&P on this morning said that $4 trillion would have been closer to what they were looking for and they heard it from from Obama, (but he never had a bill) and Paul Ryan's bill. So they would have been happy with Pau Ryans bill but Obama and the Dems said no. Then we had the Cut, Cap and Balance which would have cut over $4 trillion but Obama and the Dems said now. The reason we are downgraded maily is because the out of control debt and no prospect in the near future for serious reduction in that debt. You can blame the Tea Party all you want but for 4 years the Dems have spent like crazy and in the last 2 years with obama and the dems in TOTAL control, they never even once brought up cutting spending! They never passed a budget for 2 years. Finally America got tired of it and voted in people who wanted to stop the spending and NO they are not ALL Tea Party congressmen. And those people step in and bring up stopping the out of control spending for the first time in years and you Libs get your feeling hurt for getting your hand slapped and someone finally doing what we should have done years ago. NOW you want to blame them for being the ONLY ones who brought up cutting the deficit? Are you that out of touch with reality?

Did you just forget that Obama and Boehner also had a bill that would have cut the deficit by $4 trillion that INCLUDED revenue increases which the S&P specifically wanted? But Boehner couldn't get any support for it in the House because of a few certain members. Yeah, thought you conveniently ignored that. That solution would have made the S&P very happy. The S&P, like many economists and the liberals know that cutting spending isn't enough.....we have to increase revenue.


This line fronm your "education of me" is very true

The reason we are downgraded maily is because the out of control debt and no prospect in the near future for serious reduction in that debt.

There will be no serious reduction of the debt till we increase revenue along with spending cuts across the board.

archer wrote:

The Viking wrote:

archer wrote: Navy... I respectfully disagree. The blame game is exactly what we need right now. People need to understand how we got where we are today, who contributed to our current situation, why elections have consequences. Having recovered from my anger fit yesterday....yes I do understand that the blame needs to be spread pretty equally between the parties
The seeds for this situation were planted decades ago....and have been ignored by each party ever since. But I firmly believe that there is a small group of people, AKA the Tea Party, who have taken this opportunity to promote not a viable solution but an ideology that could be very bad for this nation.

I can't stay silent when I feel that strongly abou an immediate threat.

OK, time to educate you again. The head of the S&P on this morning said that $4 trillion would have been closer to what they were looking for and they heard it from from Obama, (but he never had a bill) and Paul Ryan's bill. So they would have been happy with Pau Ryans bill but Obama and the Dems said no. Then we had the Cut, Cap and Balance which would have cut over $4 trillion but Obama and the Dems said now. The reason we are downgraded maily is because the out of control debt and no prospect in the near future for serious reduction in that debt. You can blame the Tea Party all you want but for 4 years the Dems have spent like crazy and in the last 2 years with obama and the dems in TOTAL control, they never even once brought up cutting spending! They never passed a budget for 2 years. Finally America got tired of it and voted in people who wanted to stop the spending and NO they are not ALL Tea Party congressmen. And those people step in and bring up stopping the out of control spending for the first time in years and you Libs get your feeling hurt for getting your hand slapped and someone finally doing what we should have done years ago. NOW you want to blame them for being the ONLY ones who brought up cutting the deficit? Are you that out of touch with reality?

The S&P, like many economists and the liberals know that cutting spending isn't enough.....we have to increase revenue.

There will be no serious reduction of the debt till we increase revenue along with spending cuts across the board.

Fine. Go all out and tax the top 2%, 50%. Happy? Now you will have about $5-600 billion over 10 years. That is about $60 billion per year. Obama just spend $239 billion in ONE DAY!! SO there is $600 billion. Where are you cutting the other $2 trillion we need?

The Viking wrote: Fine. Go all out and tax the top 2%, 50%. Happy? Now you will have about $5-600 billion over 10 years. That is about $60 billion per year. Obama just spend $239 billion in ONE DAY!! SO there is $600 billion. Where are you cutting the other $2 trillion we need?

The plan that Obama and Boehner worked out did not just tax the rich, though I think that's a good idea, they have had it their way for too long. There is revenue to be found in a lot of places, tax code loopholes, subsidies to large corps and corporate farms, tax breaks for some that are not applied to others....more loopholes for people like hedge fund managers who get to pay taxes on their income at capital gains rates. The whole idea of having people pay their fair share for the priviledge of working and doing business in this great country seems outside your understanding, do you really think that somehow their tax breaks are going to trickle down to you? My advice......don't hold your breath.

Tell me Viking...if you were $10,000 in debt, and someone offered you $1000, would you turn it down just because it doesn't pay off your entire debt? Well that is what the Republicans are doing......"oh, that won't pay off our entire debt.....so we won't do that"......They are missing opportunities to chip away at the national debt faster than their spending cuts ever could.

The dumbest thing I have ever heard...... $ 4 TRILLION. Can anyone believe we let these knuckleheads over the past two years do this to us?

residenttroll wrote: The dumbest thing I have ever heard...... $ 4 TRILLION. Can anyone believe we let these knuckleheads over the past two years do this to us?

Yep, I believe it, they learned from the Republicans that if you just ignore the problem it will go away, or like Bush, you can leave it for the next guy.

archer wrote:

residenttroll wrote: The dumbest thing I have ever heard...... $ 4 TRILLION. Can anyone believe we let these knuckleheads over the past two years do this to us?

Yep, I believe it, they learned from the Republicans that if you just ignore the problem it will go away, or like Bush, you can leave it for the next guy.

Wow, those democrats must be pretty stupid...if they were stupid enough to follow Bush policies....but I thought Obama was all about Hope and Change.... but I guess the OBama mispelled the slogan.... Hoped and Chains.