What the Corridor REALLY Needs is Another Shopping Center

I may be recalling wrong, but I thought Safeway was reluctant to move but the developer threatened them with using Albertsons as an anchor.

chickaree wrote: I may be recalling wrong, but I thought Safeway was reluctant to move but the developer threatened them with using Albertsons as an anchor.

Wouldn't that have been hilarious. Albertsons is horrible all over, and in financial trouble. Probably a good thing that didn't happen though...we REALLY would have had a vacant strip mall then (Since Albertsons closed most of their Colorado stores)

The rumor I heard was Safeway didn't want Kings to have a "newer" store and get more business. See how that worked out? Kings is getting more and more customers, and safeway is losing $$.

outdoor338 wrote: :thumbsup: great post Lionshead

Frankly, instead of discussing some nebulous business concept in some distant part of our great country, I think it's time we start looking hard at the realities of bad economic policy right here in our own community. How bad policy affects small local businesses and your neighborhood. How it affects the value of your home. What it's doing to the natural beauty of our beloved 285 Corridor.

I don't have to read a newspaper or watch some slanted news source to know that the current plan isn't working. All I have to do is to drive to Conifer to buy some milk and notice all the empty homes and empty store fronts along the way.

Blame who you want...but the current plan isn't working. We will all listen to the President's speech tonight and hope for some silver bullet...but those who are honest about the prospects know that it will take a wizard to fix the mess that has been created by bad economic policy.

Of course there IS the liberal approach to "good economic policy" and what's going on right now. :can't hear

Yes, scraping a beautiful hillside to build a huge retail center and destroy the natural beauty of our community based on some entrepreneurial "build-it-and-they-will-come" mentality is something a lot of us carped about, (and were generally shouted down by the "free-enterprisers".) So, remind me again, when was that project started and built? Was it possibly before 2008? Why, "Yes, Alex! I'll take 'Unnecessary Shopping Centers' for $400."

"Bad policy" is scraping land to build something on spec (like the Safeway center, like the eyesore at the entrance to Kings Valley, like whatever they have in mind for Shaffer's Crossing...), and then realizing AFTER the damage is done..."Ooops..."

At least we put the brakes on being taxed to build an unnecessary Rec Center....

lionshead2010 wrote:

outdoor338 wrote: :thumbsup: great post Lionshead

Frankly, instead of discussing some nebulous business concept in some distant part of our great country, I think it's time we start looking hard at the realities of bad economic policy right here in our own community. How bad policy affects small local businesses and your neighborhood. How it affects the value of your home. What it's doing to the natural beauty of our beloved 285 Corridor.

I don't have to read a newspaper or watch some slanted news source to know that the current plan isn't working. All I have to do is to drive to Conifer to buy some milk and notice all the empty homes and empty store fronts along the way.

Blame who you want...but the current plan isn't working. We will all listen to the President's speech tonight and hope for some silver bullet...but those who are honest about the prospects know that it will take a wizard to fix the mess that has been created by bad economic policy.

Of course there IS the liberal approach to "good economic policy" and what's going on right now. :can't hear

Anyone who is paying attention and doing EXTENSIVE research knows that this fubar is NOT going to improve for almost another DECADE......it will not be two or three years of austerity,but RATHER a decade of two steps forward,three steps back until we come to EVEN.JMO

A few years ago we sat before the board to protest a zoning change that would directly diminish the value of our and surrounding properties. It was clear the decision had already been made and that the hearing was all for show.

I did the same thing when they started zoning (and waiving zoning regulations for light-pollution, etc.) for that eyesore at Kings Valley. I signed up to speak at the JeffCo board meeting... About 20 minutes before the meeting started some guy who identified himself as a "county attorney" came over to me and asked me what I was going to say, and then told me, "The decision has already been made", and suggested I was wasting my time. I spoke anyway...and he was right...I was wasting my time. It had already been decided.

At $11.02 per square foot per year, the triple net added costs for the Conifer Town Center are the highest in the 285 corridor

Almost choked on that one. Been looking at commercial property in downtown Denver and the worst case is a triple net less than half of this. Who in their right mind would rent there?

RenegadeCJ wrote: If developers want to take the chance and a bank wants to lend money, all the more power to them. The govt should stay out of the way. Home builders are speculating that things will improve. Construction costs are at decade lows right now. If you have the $$ to build, it won't get any better than this. They may be wrong, but that is their call imho.

We are getting a Big R (kind of like Murdoch's) in the Kings center. The developer there was smart. The safeway developer was an idiot. Safeway would be doing great had they just expanded on their old site.

That Big R is opening in 2 months (mid Nov) and hiring 25-32 people from what I read. That will give a few more jobs up here. Hope they do well. They could be a great asset to our community and save people having to drive down the hill for lots of things in the winter. Love that they will sell guns and ammo and feed and tack.

It's not so much the retail builders that need to be reined in. It's the builders that build dozens of homes on smal parcels of land, that created the commercial boom.
When we moved here ages ago there were few and far between, then the late 80's and almost all the 90's hit and houses were being built everywhere with no regard as to what impact it was having on the enviroment or other. Just as long as those permit fees and taxes were coming and going to be coming then stamp the blueprint and let the machinery roll.