LadyJazzer wrote: Dang... There you go with those pesky FACTS again... rofllol
Get YOUR facts straight! None of you libs ever do. That's why I don't debate with the idiots on here any more. It's like talking to 5 year olds. Bush voted AGAINST the loan to Solyndra.
Dang... There I go with those pesky FACTS again...
The White House noted to ABC News that the Bush administration was the first to consider Solyndra's application and that some executives at the company have a history of donating to Republicans.
The results of the Congressional probe shared Tuesday with ABC News show that less than two weeks before President Bush left office, on January 9, 2009, the Energy Department's credit committee had voted against
offering a loan commitment to Solyndra.
Even after Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009, analysts in the Energy Department and in the Office of Management and Budget were repeatedly questioning the wisdom of the loan. In one exchange, an Energy official wrote of "a major outstanding issue" -- namely, that Solyndra's numbers showed it would run out of cash in September 2011.
Really? Bush voted against it?
January 2009: In an effort to show it has done something to support renewable energy, the Bush Administration tries to take Solyndra before a DOE credit review committee before President Obama is inaugurated. The committee, consisting of career civil servants with financial expertise, remands the loan back to DOE “without prejudice” because it wasn’t ready for conditional commitment.
March 2009: The same credit committee approves the strengthened loan application. The deal passes on to DOE’s credit review board. Career staff (not political appointees) within the DOE issue a conditional commitment setting out terms for a guarantee.
When you plant ice you're going to harvest wind. - Robert Hunter
Then why rent at DIA? Plenty of other car rental places NOT at DIA without that huge tax. All it takes is planning, because the shuttle will take you places for a rather small fee comparatively. But it does take planning.
401K- you could view it as a tax of a kind - penalties for early withdrawl, use of the interest off of your money in the meantime.
Local_Historian wrote: Yeah, it actually CAN be your fault. If you don't have your deductions listed right, they take a ton out. That is FULLY on you - the companies you work for cannot and do not determine that info.
And if you are getting this on a 1099- well, welcome to paying all of it, including the part an employer normally pays.
I've done both - 1099 sucks cash right on out of your pocket.
But yes, DO blame te tax structure, because everyone knows that YOU cannot be responsible for your own pay. Being responsible for things in your life is much too hard, isn't it, T?
:bash Or how about making taxes not as outrageous or as complex as they are. 10% should be the tax rate, no exemptions, no credits, etc.
Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.
Joe wrote: The roads are paid for by gas taxes McFly.
You should remind your conservative friend of that... He likes to include gas-taxes with his outrage-of-the-day about "all the taxes"...even when reminded that they have nothing to do with the federal taxes taken out of a paycheck...
The Bear wrote: How many Taxes can we name, Fed Income, State income, Social Sec., Medicare, State sales tax, License plate tax, taxes on utilizes, gasoline tax, Please feel free to add. Seems the social contract is a little lopsided. And I forgot one close to my heart, liquor tax.
(Of course State sales tax, License plate tax, taxes on utilities, and liquor taxes don't either... but I love to watch a good incoherent rant...)
What Rant? I have been working and paying taxes for 38 years, The only thing to get bigger is government and the amount they take from me.
I do still love the argument... "taxes are ok because they pay for some necessary things!"
Honestly? If that's the argument, let's make taxes optional. You still have to pay the same amount, but you can allot what you think is important.
Everyone can vote to pay for roads and people with kids can pay for schools. Democrats can fund social programs (and any kind-hearted republicans who feel the need), republicans can pay for the army and defense... and eventually we'll see what's really important to everyone, and the unnecessary things will go away.
That way, we can all stop bitching about the social contract and put our money where our mouthes are. If roads are that important, they'll get paid for. If schools are that important, they'll get paid for. If there's not enough money to go around, there's no stealing, programs just fail. That should be pretty interesting, in my mind. I wouldn't mind smaller budgets all around. Why not let our feelings and morals guide our taxes? Then everybody would get to feel like they are contributing only to what they believe in.
Actually I like that idea. You know there are going to be responsible people who would do just that. Unfortunately, without a big club hanging over their heads, there are many who would not contribute towards anything and try to ride on their neighbor's sense of responsibility. As such it's not going to work very well. Much of where voluntary contributions will get you is manifest in church tithing. Hit and miss. Likely our infrastructure will fail unless we turn it over to private enterprise and ie. let them put tolls on roads. lol You already know how well something like that will go over.
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