One More Massacre

CinnamonGirl wrote: Nobody around here gives a damn.

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/news/jess ... terrorism/

If he had waited until Monday or Tuesday I might have listened.

I read the article and noted that either Jackson is lying or his is very misinformed:

Jackson said he doesn’t have an issue with gun owners who want a gun to protect their home, or to hunt. But, the long-time civil rights activist said, the assault rifle Holmes used was a gun that could only be used for terrorism.

“You don’t hunt with magazines with 100 rounds of ammunition,” he said.

Jackson said the federal government needs to re-instate a ban on assault weapons.

From 1994 to 2004, manufacturers were not allowed to produce new weapons like the one Holmes used.

The only use of an AR-15 with a 100 round drum magazine isn't terrorism - it may also be used in a completely lawful manner to punch 100 holes in a paper target or to walk a target out from a close range to a distant one. The other statement he made that is almost entirely incorrect is that new weapons like the one the madman used were not allowed to be produced between 1994 and 2004. The only differences between the AR-15s manufactured between 1994 and 2004 and the ones manufactured before and since that time period are purely cosmetic. Folding or telescoping butt stock, flash hider, bayonet lug and a device which enables the attachment of muzzle fired grenade. They still had a detachable magazine and would accept the drum magazine the madman used - the lower receiver didn't change at all during the ban. Drum magazines were manufactured before the ban and those pre-ban drum magazines would have fit into the AR-15s manufactured and sold while the ban was in effect just fine.

The genie ain't going back into the bottle folks. There are literally millions of AR-15s in the hands of your fellow citizens and tens of millions of "high capacity" magazines that they can use. The manufacturers have been working round the clock since the last ban expired producing lower receivers and high capacity magazines that could still be sold regardless of any new laws that Congress passed at this point. A new ban might make you feel better, but one thing is for sure, it won't make you any safer than you are right now.

CinnamonGirl wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote: If you can't get your point across without using one event like this then your cause means nothing. People die of all kinds of things and yes this was big but you can't rearrange your whole belief system because of one big event like this. Look at the whole picture.

Jesse Jackson is a media hound and I have another idea on his motives but if I say what I think I will be accused of being racist. He only cares about himself. And the NRA should be ashamed as well.

Did you happen to "miss" the point where I said "agreed"? If not, then I don't know what to say. My entire belief system? C'mon. I've been the one "asking" (not telling) people to consider having some respect for the victims, their families, the survivors, and their families before degenerating into an argument about gun control.

I, personally, don't give a rat's ass who the media hounds are, including both Jesse Jackson and the NRA! None of them show one iota of respect for sorrowing, grieving individuals, no matter the situation, the magnitude, or the grossness of the tragedy. It doesn't matter one iota whether or not fees had to be returned (in the case of the NRA following Columbine). The Colorado Avalanche gave up home ice advantage during the Stanley Cup playoffs out of respect and consideration for those affected at Columbine for crying out loud. If you don't think for one second the event in Aurora didn't affect those of us directly affected by the event at Columbine, I feel very sorry for you.

I went through this post-Columbine. Where were you then? My cause is to help "People Energize and Achieve Conscious Empowerment". If conscious empowerment means something different to you, then so be it. What it means to me is our society needs to at least try to change its collective psyche to be more respectful, more considerate, more compassionate, to and with each other.

TEACH PEACE!

This is not partisan to me. I am calling a spade a spade. All I am saying is I don't a damn about his press conference and he is misleading people by showing up at that apartment. It had NOTHING to do with the shootings and I am pissed at him. That is all I am saying. Otherwise it is up to you to think what you think. If the NRA or Sarah palin or anyone does this I will be fricking pissed at them too. I am not being partisan on this.

My point in the above quote from me was this..... IF your cause about gun control is completely built upon this one incident and you can only use this one mass murder then it doesn't hold water so tell our politicians to get some integrity and stop marketing this to get their gun control. If Jesse was so worried about North Aurora he should have come down here before the shootings. Give me a compelling argument other then the Aurora Shootings then maybe I will listen. A knee jerk reaction because of this one incident is not going to help this problem.

I don't want to get into a spittin' match with you. To be specific, my cause is NOT gun control, either for or against. My cause is human decency and people consciously empowering themselves. If you can show me where I've said ban all guns, maybe I'll listen to you. There are all kinds of media hounds following incidents such as these. There are also people on this thread, and in this Forum who've chosen to politicize the issue of gun control the very day after the incident. So, please, don't go getting all self-righteous on me. I don't presume to speak for you, not now, not ever. All I'm trying to say is there will be plenty of time to argue the pros and cons of gun control down the road. Now, in my opinion, is not the time just as the NRA Convention issue, in my opinion, wasn't the time following Columbine either. Agree or disagree, that's your prerogative. It matters not to me one way or the other. I'm just calling a spade a spade, as well.

I think Z you are reading CG posts and injecting a totally different understandung.

CinnamonGirl wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote: Christian Bale was low key, Jesse just had to wait until next week. I still would have called him out on his mistaken statement but would not be as upset. The fact that he is here this week is the problem. he knows no one would have given a damn about his press conference next week.

One more thing: I can't even begin to tell you how many "celebrities" visited the survivors and their families post-Columbine. Virtually every single one of them did so more low key than even Christian Bale. No one knew they were there, that's the way they wanted it, that's the way the families wanted it, too. Both JJ, following the Aurora event, and the NRA, following Columbine "chose" to make more noise. Just sayin'

TEACH PEACE

Jesse didn't visit victims. He went to North Aurora and tried to use it for his cause of violence in N. Aurora.

I don't know, and I don't care, if Jesse did or did not visit victims. I've read already that Christian Bale visited the victims for one reason, and one reason only - to try to restore his somewhat "tarnished" image. Whether that is true or not is beside the point. He visited the survivors. If it gave any of them "comfort", then more power to him.

The fact is the victims deserve the utmost respect and compassion. All I was doing was pointing out there are many who are doing so "under the radar" so to speak.

You seem very raw at this point in time. I don't, and won't fault you for that given how close this tragedy occurred to you and the people you know who are involved. I've been there and done that. It doesn't get much easier. We all have our individual emotions surrounding tragedies like these.

TEACH PEACE!

ZHawke wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote: If you can't get your point across without using one event like this then your cause means nothing. People die of all kinds of things and yes this was big but you can't rearrange your whole belief system because of one big event like this. Look at the whole picture.

Jesse Jackson is a media hound and I have another idea on his motives but if I say what I think I will be accused of being racist. He only cares about himself. And the NRA should be ashamed as well.

Did you happen to "miss" the point where I said "agreed"? If not, then I don't know what to say. My entire belief system? C'mon. I've been the one "asking" (not telling) people to consider having some respect for the victims, their families, the survivors, and their families before degenerating into an argument about gun control.

I, personally, don't give a rat's ass who the media hounds are, including both Jesse Jackson and the NRA! None of them show one iota of respect for sorrowing, grieving individuals, no matter the situation, the magnitude, or the grossness of the tragedy. It doesn't matter one iota whether or not fees had to be returned (in the case of the NRA following Columbine). The Colorado Avalanche gave up home ice advantage during the Stanley Cup playoffs out of respect and consideration for those affected at Columbine for crying out loud. If you don't think for one second the event in Aurora didn't affect those of us directly affected by the event at Columbine, I feel very sorry for you.

I went through this post-Columbine. Where were you then? My cause is to help "People Energize and Achieve Conscious Empowerment". If conscious empowerment means something different to you, then so be it. What it means to me is our society needs to at least try to change its collective psyche to be more respectful, more considerate, more compassionate, to and with each other.

TEACH PEACE!

This is not partisan to me. I am calling a spade a spade. All I am saying is I don't a damn about his press conference and he is misleading people by showing up at that apartment. It had NOTHING to do with the shootings and I am pissed at him. That is all I am saying. Otherwise it is up to you to think what you think. If the NRA or Sarah palin or anyone does this I will be fricking pissed at them too. I am not being partisan on this.

My point in the above quote from me was this..... IF your cause about gun control is completely built upon this one incident and you can only use this one mass murder then it doesn't hold water so tell our politicians to get some integrity and stop marketing this to get their gun control. If Jesse was so worried about North Aurora he should have come down here before the shootings. Give me a compelling argument other then the Aurora Shootings then maybe I will listen. A knee jerk reaction because of this one incident is not going to help this problem.

I don't want to get into a spittin' match with you. To be specific, my cause is NOT gun control, either for or against. My cause is human decency and people consciously empowering themselves. If you can show me where I've said ban all guns, maybe I'll listen to you. There are all kinds of media hounds following incidents such as these. There are also people on this thread, and in this Forum who've chosen to politicize the issue of gun control the very day after the incident. So, please, don't go getting all self-righteous on me. I don't presume to speak for you, not now, not ever. All I'm trying to say is there will be plenty of time to argue the pros and cons of gun control down the road. Now, in my opinion, is not the time just as the NRA Convention issue, in my opinion, wasn't the time following Columbine either. Agree or disagree, that's your prerogative. It matters not to me one way or the other. I'm just calling a spade a spade, as well.

I was not after anything you said. I was explaining why I hate JJ. He is using this incident for something that has nothing to do with his press conference. I live here, know the area and so I know that he is talking about the area in a way that is not honest. Most people won't know that and I don't like his dog and pony show. I have no ill will toward you or your opinion on gun control and I appreciate your opinion. I was saying that JJ is misleading everyone to draw a line between what he is talking about and that apartment and the shootings. They have nothing to do with each other. And that pastor that was shot had nothing to do with why Holmes did what he did. He lived in N. Aurora because he was going to school at the University. So, when some one does that I lose all trust in anything they have to say elsewhere. I am sorry if I was not clear.

Martin Ent Inc wrote: I think Z you are reading CG posts and injecting a totally differnt understandung.

Please 'splain that "different understanding" to me. Not that it matters, but I was much more closely involved in a similar tragedy 13 years ago than CG appears to be in this one. That nerves were raw, that anger was boiling over, that people on every side of every issue (politicians, churches, gun control advocates, pro-gun advocates, and a whole slew of others) tried to "push" their agendas isn't something exclusive to this particular event. My daughter was shot and paralyzed, for crying out loud. My first wife committed suicide 6 months later, for crying out loud. Do you really think I don't have an "understanding" of what CG is going through?

TEACH PEACE!

CinnamonGirl wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote:

ZHawke wrote:

CinnamonGirl wrote: If you can't get your point across without using one event like this then your cause means nothing. People die of all kinds of things and yes this was big but you can't rearrange your whole belief system because of one big event like this. Look at the whole picture.

Jesse Jackson is a media hound and I have another idea on his motives but if I say what I think I will be accused of being racist. He only cares about himself. And the NRA should be ashamed as well.

Did you happen to "miss" the point where I said "agreed"? If not, then I don't know what to say. My entire belief system? C'mon. I've been the one "asking" (not telling) people to consider having some respect for the victims, their families, the survivors, and their families before degenerating into an argument about gun control.

I, personally, don't give a rat's ass who the media hounds are, including both Jesse Jackson and the NRA! None of them show one iota of respect for sorrowing, grieving individuals, no matter the situation, the magnitude, or the grossness of the tragedy. It doesn't matter one iota whether or not fees had to be returned (in the case of the NRA following Columbine). The Colorado Avalanche gave up home ice advantage during the Stanley Cup playoffs out of respect and consideration for those affected at Columbine for crying out loud. If you don't think for one second the event in Aurora didn't affect those of us directly affected by the event at Columbine, I feel very sorry for you.

I went through this post-Columbine. Where were you then? My cause is to help "People Energize and Achieve Conscious Empowerment". If conscious empowerment means something different to you, then so be it. What it means to me is our society needs to at least try to change its collective psyche to be more respectful, more considerate, more compassionate, to and with each other.

TEACH PEACE!

This is not partisan to me. I am calling a spade a spade. All I am saying is I don't a damn about his press conference and he is misleading people by showing up at that apartment. It had NOTHING to do with the shootings and I am pissed at him. That is all I am saying. Otherwise it is up to you to think what you think. If the NRA or Sarah palin or anyone does this I will be fricking pissed at them too. I am not being partisan on this.

My point in the above quote from me was this..... IF your cause about gun control is completely built upon this one incident and you can only use this one mass murder then it doesn't hold water so tell our politicians to get some integrity and stop marketing this to get their gun control. If Jesse was so worried about North Aurora he should have come down here before the shootings. Give me a compelling argument other then the Aurora Shootings then maybe I will listen. A knee jerk reaction because of this one incident is not going to help this problem.

I don't want to get into a spittin' match with you. To be specific, my cause is NOT gun control, either for or against. My cause is human decency and people consciously empowering themselves. If you can show me where I've said ban all guns, maybe I'll listen to you. There are all kinds of media hounds following incidents such as these. There are also people on this thread, and in this Forum who've chosen to politicize the issue of gun control the very day after the incident. So, please, don't go getting all self-righteous on me. I don't presume to speak for you, not now, not ever. All I'm trying to say is there will be plenty of time to argue the pros and cons of gun control down the road. Now, in my opinion, is not the time just as the NRA Convention issue, in my opinion, wasn't the time following Columbine either. Agree or disagree, that's your prerogative. It matters not to me one way or the other. I'm just calling a spade a spade, as well.

I was not after anything you said. I was explaining why I hate JJ.

And I was trying to explain why I hate the NRA. I'm not anti-gun. Rather, I'm anti-gun violence. That's all.

TEACH PEACE!

Okay, then it was a misunderstanding. It's all good.

CinnamonGirl wrote: Okay, then it was a misunderstanding. It's all good.

Olive branches are nice. I hereby offer mine, too.

TEACH PEACE!

Jesse has had his chances to show me something that does not have to do with himself and he always fails. Someday I hope to see it and point it out. I don't have much of a beef with Sharpton. He has good opinions sometimes and can see past the end of his nose. I don't see the same with Jesse. There are other people who are not African American that I have issues with too including some of the senators, etc. that put out some stupid self serving statements. But today I am mad at JJ.