18 Children Among 26 Dead in Conn Elementary School Shooting

LadyJazzer wrote: Doesn't change the fact that they are selling because of public pressure...does it.... Watch the "pressure" that comes next... There are other large institutional investors that put pressure on, besides the one first reported...

Anything that puts pressure on them is okay by me.

Actually they have been looking to sell for awhile but the latest shooting has just decreased the price.

FredHayek wrote:

LadyJazzer wrote: Doesn't change the fact that they are selling because of public pressure...does it.... Watch the "pressure" that comes next... There are other large institutional investors that put pressure on, besides the one first reported...

Anything that puts pressure on them is okay by me.

Actually they have been looking to sell for awhile but the latest shooting has just decreased the price.

And they're selling, not shutting down, the company.

Funny...I don't remember saying anything about "shutting down" the company. Isn't it great that you can set up a strawman in order to knock it down over something that was never said...

Gotta love it.

Americans Won’t Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet
*****************

Ordinarily, I’d agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut , there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.

To those on the political and those pushing gun control — in the childish naivete — You need to understand two things: One — Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That’s one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs — please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!

For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I’d go so far as to say some are even “leaning forward,” eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.

Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to “pry the weapons from their cold dead hands.” Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin — and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.

Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.

I just don’t think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion — PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.
Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world — combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran , France , and Germany combined! SOURCE:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
And don’t think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden — and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. “Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces.” SOURCE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibitio ... ted_States

Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as “scary looking” weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. “The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called “assault weapons” are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban… .”
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
Consider this: “Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.

The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.”
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99

As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns — well within arm’s length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed — either with an “edged weapon” or a firearm.

Let’s be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.

I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.

A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.

As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.

“Molṑn labéis” ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
So what does “molon labe ” mean? Well, it is an invitation — and a challenge — all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: “Come and take ‘em.”

Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: “Deo Vindici,” which means: “God is with us.”
This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but — intend to win decisively.

:thumbsup: :notworthy:

That pretty much sums it up for me!

Happy New Year and Molon Labe y'all!

I believe this may have some merit. Whether it adds or detracts from the conversation here is up to the individual to decide for themselves.

http://news.msn.com/us/in-gun-debate-two-sides-speak-different-languages

Wow... Since nobody has said that they were planning "to come take anybody's guns", it's good to know that the usual gun-nuts are dead-set against it. (Kind of like "Sharia Law" and "Agenda 21"...)

Still ignoring Dianne Feinstein. Silly little girl.

Off topic: Did you spend the Holidays stewing on here?

navycpo7 wrote: Americans Won’t Give Up Their Guns, Law Or Not!
A Commentary by J. D. Longstreet
*****************

Ordinarily, I’d agree that THIS is no time to be arguing gun control. With the pain still intense in Connecticut , there should have been a truce declared, to allow for grieving. But the plain truth is, those who declare that a good crisis must not be wasted, jumped the gun (as they usually do) and began a nationwide PR war through the national Mainstream Media to bring as much pressure to bear as they possible could on our government for laws to ban certain guns, eventually ALL guns in the hands of US civilians.

To those on the political and those pushing gun control — in the childish naivete — You need to understand two things: One — Americans are NOT going to give up their guns! That’s one. Number two is this: If you really want to begin a civil war in this country, continue your efforts to take those guns and you will most certainly have one, and I do not think you have any idea, any inkling, of just how ferocious and brutal such a war can be.
If you thought for one moment that American gun owners would assume the fetal position and begin sucking their thumbs — please allow me to disabuse you of that monstrously mistaken assumption!

For the past four years gun owners across America have been planning for just such a move by the gun control crowd. They have been purchasing weapons in record numbers and they have created secret caches of both weapons and ammunition that you simply will not believe. I’d go so far as to say some are even “leaning forward,” eager for the chance to protect the US Constitution.

Look. Trying to confiscate Americans guns will erupt in pitched firefights, gun battles, between American civilians and government law officers. The government will, as Charlton Heston famously stated, have to “pry the weapons from their cold dead hands.” Heck, the government might actually get away with a couple of such encounters before the backlash begins. But it will begin — and when it does, there will be hell to pay. In the end, it will be the end of the United States as we know it.

Understand. There are some states that will move to secede rather than obey federal laws that force their citizens to disarm. Other states will arrest and incarcerate federal officers attempting to disarm that states citizens within the physical boundaries of that state.

I just don’t think the gun control folks are thinking with their brains. They exude emotion — PURE emotion, and a dangerous lack of common sense. What they are pushing for will bring nothing less than wreck and ruin to this country.
Do you realize that the number of armed American hunters, alone, surpasses the numbers of all the standing armies of the world — combined? Deer hunters in just one state, alone, number more than the armies of Iran , France , and Germany combined! SOURCE:

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum ... 889966/pg1 Do you realize that a HUGE proportion of them are veterans of the finest military on the planet?
And don’t think you can just track gun hoarders down and arrest them. It took the US military TEN YEARS to find Osama Bin Laden — and he was one man! Try rounding up millions. Can you see the nightmare?
A law that would try to confiscate guns in America would, like Prohibition, suddenly turn America into a nation of criminals. The Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution, and the Volstead Act caused multiple deaths. “Effective enforcement of the alcohol ban during the Prohibition Era proved to be very difficult and led to widespread flouting of the law. The lack of a solid popular consensus for the ban resulted in the growth of vast criminal organizations, including the modern American Mafia, and various other criminal cliques. Widespread disregard of the law also generated rampant corruption among politicians and within police forces.” SOURCE:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohibitio ... ted_States

Banning so-called assault weapons (otherwise known as “scary looking” weapons) does next to nothing to reduce gun crime. “The Justice Department’s interviews also showed so-called “assault weapons” are not a major cause of gun violence. Only about 8 percent of the inmates used one of the models covered in the now-expired assault weapons ban… .”
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99
Consider this: “Meanwhile, a study released by the Justice Department suggesting background checks at gun shows would do little to keep firearms out of the hands of criminals.

The study noted the number of criminals who obtained guns from retail outlets was dwarfed by the number of those who picked up their arms through means other than legal purchases. The report was the result of interviews with more than 18,000 state and federal inmates conducted nationwide. It found that nearly 80 percent of those interviewed got their guns from friends or family members, or on the street through illegal purchases.”
Read more at: http://www.wnd.com/2004/12/28253/#Kfd7EWciAw0jzwQi.99

As I write this in my office, behind me on my desk are five containers of ammunition from 30 caliber to 12 gauge double-ought buckshot. Leaning against the wall is one of my guns — well within arm’s length. Visitors to my office think nothing of it. It is a way of life. I began shooting at the age of six. I am always armed — either with an “edged weapon” or a firearm.

Let’s be clear. ASKING gun owners to give up their guns is insulting. DEMANDING that we give them up is going to get someone hurt.

I realize the words above are strong. That is intentional. I am trying to convey to gun control advocates and the Mainstream Media the seriousness of what they are doing and the indelicate manner in which the are approaching the issue. DEMANDING that an American citizen give up a constitutional right is bad enough, but demanding that he give up a constitutional right upon which his freedom and his very life may depend is the ultimate insult and is nothing less than an assault on the constitution itself. This we cannot, we will not, abide.

A note to our national legislators. Those of you supporting gun control legislation should understand it will be a career-ending move on your part. We will brook no such unpleasant nonsense from you.
Gun owners did not seek this fight. We most certainly did not initiate it. Too, we are sick, ad nauseum, of your continuous attacks on our way of life, on our constitutional as well as God given rights as American citizens, and we are sick, beyond words, of your elitist attitude.

As red-blooded Americans have done throughout our history, we will avoid a fight for as long as it is practicable to do so. But when the fight is brought to us we WILL engage with our considerable resources with one goal in mind and that is the utter defeat of our adversary, and a guarantee that the conflict will never be resuscitated, EVER, again.

“Molṑn labéis” ( Molon Labe) is a classical expression of defiance reportedly spoken by King Leonidas I in response to the Persian army’s demand that the Spartans surrender their weapons at the Battle of Thermopylae.
I am seeing more and more e-mails and commentaries on blogs, all over the Internet theses days, close with these two words of defiance. It has quickly become the signature phrase for gun control resistance.
So what does “molon labe ” mean? Well, it is an invitation — and a challenge — all rolled into one. From the original Greek molon labe means: “Come and take ‘em.”

Since self-defense is a God-given right I would add a second phrase of recognition one which my Confederate ancestors affixed often to their missives: “Deo Vindici,” which means: “God is with us.”
This is a struggle gun owners of America did not seek, do not want, but — intend to win decisively.

Holy box of text! Still, you could post a million pages navy, and the lefties still won't get it.

Actually, lemme just hop on their side of the fence again, like I did when posting the "let democraps pass whatever they want" thread.
Go ahead and ban all guns, that way, the next shyte to happen'll be rigged up propane tanks strapped with roofing nails and the like.
Thought I'd throw that out there.