18 Children Among 26 Dead in Conn Elementary School Shooting

12 Jan 2013 19:55 #321 by ScienceChic
100 Sign Petition Calling for Gun Violence Research
by Eliot Marshall on 11 January 2013

More than 100 researchers sent a letter yesterday to Vice President Joseph Biden asking the government to boost research on gun violence. Biden heads up the White House's Gun Violence Commission, which is looking into ways to reshape national policies in the wake of last month's mass shooting of schoolchildren in Newtown, Connecticut.

The researchers' petition, sent under the letterhead of the University of Chicago social science center known as the Crime Lab, says that "politically motivated constraints" have held back U.S. research on gun-related violence since the mid-1990s. That's when groups backing private gun ownership, including the National Rifle Association, leaned on Congress to limit such research. The lobbying push came after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) highlighted firearms-linked deaths as a preventable public health problem.


"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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12 Jan 2013 20:00 #322 by LadyJazzer
"...groups backing private gun ownership, including the National Rifle Association, leaned on Congress to limit such research."

Wow... Imagine my surprise....

Let's hope they finally do something and ignore the usual "suspects." (Boy, did I clean THAT up...)

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14 Dec 2017 16:59 #323 by ScienceChic
Here we are 5 years later. Doesn't seem like we've made any progress, does it?
https://twitter.com/hashtag/SandyHook5yrs?src=hash

5 years after Sandy Hook, the victims have not been forgotten
Compiled by CNN Staff
Updated 6:21 AM ET, Thu December 14, 2017
Jake Tapper‏ @jaketapper


On the last morning of her life, Emilie Parker, 6, climbed into bed with her mom and they cuddled. #SandyHook5yrs


www.sandyhookpromise.org/

Our Mission: Prevent gun-related deaths due to crime, suicide and accidental discharge so that no other parent experiences the senseless, horrific loss of their child.


We had quite a bit of discussion back then amongst ourselves (threads linked below) which mirrored the national discussions, and yet we still struggle with how to fix the problems our society faces with a lack of respect for life, a lack of adequate mental health care, and far too easy access to weapons which can kill so many so quickly. Though progress is snail-paced, it is a conversation I feel we must continue to have.

The Sandy Hook Tragedy
The End of School Gun Free Zones ?
Sandy Hook shooting- fully exposed
Another Perspective from Sandy Hook
We will have to look at who & what we are-Sandy Hook photos

One of the best pieces in my mind that came out of all that was this one from Five Thirty Eight:
Mass Shootings Are A Bad Way To Understand Gun Violence
By Maggie Koerth-Baker
October 3, 2017

There is something distinctly American about this way of death. Mass shootings1 happen in other countries, but they are far more common here. Between 1966 and 2012, there were 90 such incidents in the U.S. The next four countries with the most mass shootings had 54 combined. There is also something distinctly American about how we respond to these events, the way they become tangled up in the national debate about guns — this question of how to reduce deaths attributable to a weapon protected in the founding documents of our land. No other country has that particular challenge.

This, of course, has already happened with the mass shooting on Sunday in Las Vegas that left at least 58 people dead and hundreds more injured.

And this is a problem. What we know about mass shootings suggests that they are different from the everyday deaths that happen at the end of a gun. The weapon is the same. So much else is different. And the distorted image we get by using one as a lens through which to view the other has consequences for our understanding of the problem and the policies that might address it.

Gun Deaths In America
By Ben Casselman, Matthew Conlen and Reuben Fischer-Baum
July 13, 2016

This interactive graphic is part of our project exploring the more than 33,000 annual gun deaths in America and what it would take to bring that number down. See our stories on suicides among middle-age men, homicides of young black men and accidental deaths, or explore the menu for more coverage.


For today, I simply say rest in peace sweet babies and the courageous educators who did their best to protect them. Hug your loved ones tight, and never stop fighting to make life better.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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14 Dec 2018 22:12 #324 by ScienceChic
Today, in remembrance of those who died at Sandy Hook, I want to share two things. The first, a thread posted on Twitter this morning from the daughter of Principal Dawn Lafferty Hochsprung (it made me bawl), and the second a journal article my friend ZHawke posted on his Facebook Page that was written by two doctors of their thoughts on gun violence (long before the NRA told them to "stay in their lane"). The first because it's important that we feel the pain of this kind of loss and the second because it's necessary that we do something about it.

Our citizens own more personal guns in this country than in any other, and yet we haven't solved any of our gun violence issues (i.e. more good guys with guns isn't the answer). It's past time to try something new (see recommendations in the journal article).

Six years ago she was getting her last hour of sleep.
by Erica Lafferty Garbatini @ELaffGarb
15 hours ago

She would wake up and get ready for work just like it was any other day.

I am grateful to know that she was so happy that morning, playing jokes on her colleague, helping to get a coffee stain out of a sweater
returning a perfectly folded scarf that she borrowed to wear to the winter concert the night before.

Her morning at work would start out like any other. Busy, efficient. She did not know that the PPT meeting would be her last. She heard a noise and silenced the room.
Was that gunshots? Holy sh*t, it was gunshots! She stood from her chair and walked towards the door of the conference room. She saw the shooter. She turned briefly to warn the others. “SHOOTER, STAY PUT!”

I wonder if she knew that those words would be her last. I wonder if she knew she would be killed for walking out of that room. I wonder what she thought in those seconds between being hit and death. Pain? The school? Her children? Mom? Grandchildren?

There's more on Erica Lafferty Garbatini's Twitter account.

The Quiet Room
Peter T. Masiakos, M.D., and Cornelia Griggs, M.D.
The New England Journal of Medicine
November 15, 2017

At the end of an inconspicuous hallway and strategically placed far from the controlled chaos of the trauma room lies a dimly lit waiting area that we in the medical field call “the quiet room.” It is a bland spot; a few soft chairs surround a table that holds a box of crisp institutional tissues. There may be a picture or two on the wall, but generally it is an unassuming room where we physicians tell mothers about the deaths of their children, far too often because of firearm violence.

As we make our way to this room, we recite a careful script; we use words intended to ease this painful first-and-only meeting. The reality is that over the years, we have found that there is no good way to tell a mother that her child has died, especially when the unexpected death might have been avoidable.

We introduce ourselves as the doctor who took care of their child. We take a deep breath, look into their eyes, and quickly break the devastating news — there is no reason to delay. What follows is the visceral, piercing shriek of a mother’s wailing, “Please God, not my baby!” We often weep with these mothers, we sometimes quietly blame ourselves for not being able to do more to save their baby’s life — and when they are alone, as is often the case, we hold them up while they cry.

We walk away from the encounter, our stomachs churning from the stale, metallic scent of a child’s blood barely dried on our clogs, our faces streaked with tears, and our hearts gripped in a vise as we tell ourselves that this senseless dying must end. But it doesn’t end. Another child is shot, and another mother is heartbroken.

There is nothing quiet about this room.

December 21, 2017
N Engl J Med 2017; 377:2411-2412
DOI: 10.1056/NEJMp1714825

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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15 Dec 2018 07:58 #325 by homeagain
And the wheel goes round and round.......NOTHING will change until the money machine (NRA)
changes their stance,,,,,,,that human life is more important than money,,,,,,(WATCH the response
from that statement,)......:angry: The gun violence is higher now than in the past FORTY YEARS,PER MARKET INSIDER. today;s headline....(tried to post link, it was blocked,) Our species NEVER learns until it is too late to turn it around......jmo

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15 Dec 2018 16:29 #326 by Blazer Bob

homeagain wrote: And the wheel goes round and round.......NOTHING will change until the money machine (NRA)
changes their stance,,,,,,,that human life is more important than money,,,,,,(WATCH the response
from that statement,)......:angry: The gun violence is higher now than in the past FORTY YEARS,PER MARKET INSIDER. today;s headline....(tried to post link, it was blocked,) Our species NEVER learns until it is too late to turn it around......jmo


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"Florida school massacre panel recommends arming teachers with concealed weapons
The Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission voted 13-1 to recommend the Legislature allow the arming of teachers, saying it’s not enough to have one or two police officers or armed guards on campus."

www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2...1q6ZVLacN-cSff1xDoTE

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15 Dec 2018 20:34 #327 by homeagain

Blazer Bob wrote:

homeagain wrote: And the wheel goes round and round.......NOTHING will change until the money machine (NRA)
changes their stance,,,,,,,that human life is more important than money,,,,,,(WATCH the response
from that statement,)......:angry: The gun violence is higher now than in the past FORTY YEARS,PER MARKET INSIDER. today;s headline....(tried to post link, it was blocked,) Our species NEVER learns until it is too late to turn it around......jmo


"
"Florida school massacre panel recommends arming teachers with concealed weapons
The Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School Public Safety Commission voted 13-1 to recommend the Legislature allow the arming of teachers, saying it’s not enough to have one or two police officers or armed guards on campus."

www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/buzz/2...1q6ZVLacN-cSff1xDoTE


www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43193222 This is a no win debate,because
human life is not sacred but $$$$$$ rules and the NRA is $$$$$. jmo

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15 Dec 2018 20:45 #328 by Blazer Bob

homeagain wrote: ]

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43193222 This is a no win debate,because
human life is not sacred but $$$$$$ rules and the NRA is $$$$$. jmo


What are you trying to say? The article's headline is that the NRA does not support a ban.

Do you think there would be less school shootings if the NRA did support a ban?
Would there be less school shootings if there were no NRA?

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16 Dec 2018 08:10 #329 by homeagain

Blazer Bob wrote:

homeagain wrote: ]

www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43193222 This is a no win debate,because
human life is not sacred but $$$$$$ rules and the NRA is $$$$$. jmo


What are you trying to say? The article's headline is that the NRA does not support a ban.

Do you think there would be less school shootings if the NRA did support a ban?
Would there be less school shootings if there were no NRA?


www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/12/nra-lea...ria-butina-lobbying/

THIS is part of the problem,however, it is a multi layer issue,

The cdc reoorts that suicide is the larger portion of those numbers, specifically men over 60....
MORE money should be directed to mental health and NOT to alliances with Russia and a
RUSSIAN NRA CHAPTER.......ALLEVIATING THE PROBLEMS WITHIN AMERICA should
be top priority........The NRA would garner much admiration and support from people like me,IF
there were concrete efforts to move that goal forward.....jmo.....

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