Who voted against proposal to keep your insurance?

This could all be solved if insurance could be sold nationally instead of being state specific, but so far the states rights people don't want that to happen.

What I find interesting in all this is that the party that is all about containing costs is so against a program that is trying to contain hospital costs.

archer wrote: What I find interesting in all this is that the party that is all about containing costs is so against a program that is trying to contain hospital costs.

Because it doesn't work and it is more expensive.

You don't know yet that it doesn't work, the ACA is not the web site. And, you don't know if it's more expensive....for some, yes....for others no. Kind of like most everything. I'll listen to your complaints openly in a few years after the start up issues, and the growing pains have shaken out. For those people with pre existing conditions, for those who have been cancelled, for those who have been unable to afford health insurance, being able to sign up for insurance for next year it's a success.

archer wrote: You don't know yet that it doesn't work, the ACA is not the web site. And, you don't know if it's more expensive....for some, yes....for others no. Kind of like most everything. I'll listen to your complaints openly in a few years after the start up issues, and the growing pains have shaken out. For those people with pre existing conditions, for those who have been cancelled, for those who have been unable to afford health insurance, being able to sign up for insurance for next year it's a success.

Success?

"If you like your policy you can keep your policy" FAIL (and a blatant lie)
"It will save every family $2,500" FAIL
Website FAIL

And this is only the first month!!!

Unintended consequence?



..."Top hospitals like the Cleveland Clinic accept dozens of personal insurance plans, but only accept Medical Mutual of Ohio under the Affordable Care Act, Watchdog.org reported. Eleven out of the 18 top ranked hospitals offer just one or two carriers, according to U.S. News & World Report.

NYU Langone Medical Center in New York, UCLA Medical Center in Los Angeles and Emory Healthcare in Atlanta will only accept a limited number of plans, according to a report from CNN.

Michael B. Green, CEO and president of Concord Hospital in New Hampshire, released a statement saying the hospital opted out because it would cost more to provide care than the facility would get paid, CNN reported.

Some of the exchanges don't list the insurance companies on their websites, or if they do, don't give names of acceptable doctors and hospitals, Watchdog.org reported.



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Walter L Newton wrote: Success?

"If you like your policy you can keep your policy" FAIL (and a blatant lie)
"It will save every family $2,500" FAIL
Website FAIL

And this is only the first month!!!

"If you like your doctor you can keep your doctor. Period." FAIL
"Exchanges will create MORE competition and lower prices" FAIL
"Your policy can't be cancelled" FAIL (Not by the insurer, but now by the Gov't)
"Bend the cost curve down" FAIL
"Won't increase future Deficits" FAIL
"Easy online shopping for plans like Amazon" FAIL
"Won't raise taxes on middle class by one nickel" FAIL
"Small business health exchange" Postponed
"Universal Coverage" FAIL Best estimates were 92% and that is unlikely.
"Medicaid expansion" FAIL States opting out

There will be many more.

FredHayek wrote: Maybe Obama should have said, we are going to replace your plans with something better for a lot more money! And we will subsidize it if you can't afford it.

Using the education my govt provided at the expense of the citizens....that is what I heard.

They were clear that the requirements for plans were getting a lot more strict. They were clear that you had to buy plans. Obama said that if you want to keep your plan you could.

It was more than obvious, I mean more than obvious, that this was going to happen. It did not take fox or cnn to say it. The president and others said it directly, you just had to add it up.

Everyone knows that insurers decide whether they offer plans at all.

It was obvious to anyone who thinks at all that many plans were going to be dropped and that the new plans would cost more because the old ones were no longer legal (literally) because they did not cover enough. It was also obvious that you were going to be forced to buy these new plans or pay the fine.

It is very very very wrong to make people do this, to manipulate the market. But more wrong would be to pretend you did not know this all along. The president was honest on this, he just did not remind you that the insurance companies where private and still could decide not to offer plans (actually probably did remind us they were private, we just forgot what that meant).

I would still love to see a list of who voted to punish us like this.

I think people that complain that they did not save a just as dumb. If every family was going to save $2500 or whatever, where did you think that was coming from. This is a society level program. There is no new pool of money. It was obviously impossible for everyone to save money unless they lower regulations and doctors lowered pricing. Since the opposite is always happening, it was obvious to anyone thinking that prices were not going down and certainly not on average. Anyone who claims this or believed it is not worth discussing this with, they don't have the mental equipment. Since most of you have this equipment, get off this dead concept.

Everyone knew this was coming, some chose to ignore it, end of story.

Are we going to continue to debate that this is going to end well too? Continue to pretend that forcing everyone to buy health care insurance so there are less govt paid emergency room visits by the poor is going to fix anything in society.

I am curious about the stats of those going into medicine. The numbers dropping. More of those greedy fucks going into finance (where their morals are anyway)? I bet yes.

In summary, anyone who voted the president back in voted against the proposal to keep your own insurance. Anyone who voted in a person in congress that did the same.

Call out the citizens as well as the legislators,and by name. Our fellow citizens screw us, they just use the willing govt to do it.

Blame the LJs and the VLs for their money and bleeding heart lusts.

Blazer Bob wrote: Unintended consequence?

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Bob, the standard answers are:

1. Please provide a link (Fred)
2. I didn't bother to read your link
3. Your link is outdated
4. Your link is a Right wing blog
5. The current system sucks, lets just give this a try anyway and see what happens. Stop complaining.
6. It failed? See I told you, Single payer!
7. Its those bad apple insurers fault.
8. Its the Republicans fault.
9. Repeat and Rinse.

Actually, I give Archer credit for stepping up and responding. Pretty near all the other ACA defenders are AWOL. Where is that ACA cheerleader Something the Dog Said. Surely he/she has some brilliant sarcastic answers?