Who voted against proposal to keep your insurance?

Walter L Newton wrote:

archer wrote: Republicans FAIL

they had 4 years to provide input, to come up with practical alternatives to the ACA, to work with the Democrats to address problems in the ACA and vote on improvements. But they did not, their time was spent 1st trying to make Obama a one term president and then trying to defund or destroy the ACA......they FAILED. so now they have turned to a smear campaign with misinformation and fear tactics. Given their recent record, that too will fail.

This has nothing to do with the GOP. This belongs to the Democrats.

And while you are at it, list just one of the smears?

Death panels
Muslims are exempt
Congress is exempt
Non US citizens will be provided with free health care

And the list goes on......

So... we now have around 15 million who will loose their current policies (ones that they wanted, paid for and were happy with because it served their needs and their family needs) and as soon as the employer mandate hits, which they delayed 1 year, do you wonder why... here's your answer... another 93 million or so will have to get new policies...

And the Obama administration knew the truth... in 2010... from Forbes...

If you read the Affordable Care Act when it was passed, you knew that it was dishonest for President Obama to claim that “if you like your plan, you can keep your plan,” as he did—and continues to do—on countless occasions. And we now know that the administration knew this all along. It turns out that in an obscure report buried in a June 2010 edition of the Federal Register, administration officials predicted massive disruption of the private insurance market.

Jay Carney attempted to minimize the disruption issue, arguing that it only affected people who buy insurance on their own. “That’s the universe we’re talking about, 5 percent of the population,”

“The Departments’ mid-range estimate is that 66 percent of small employer plans and 45 percent of large employer plans will relinquish their grandfather status by the end of 2013,” wrote the administration on page 34,552 of the Register. All in all, more than half of employer-sponsored plans will lose their “grandfather status” and become illegal. According to the Congressional Budget Office, 156 million Americans—more than half the population—was covered by employer-sponsored insurance in 2013.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapotheca ... obamacare/

Read it for yourself in the Federal Register...

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/FR-2010-06 ... -14488.pdf

Yes sir... the Democrats are going to disrupt almost half of the Americans and their insurance policies just to make sure there are 12,15,25,30 million (the number keeps changing) people without insurance now able to get coverage.

Math is not their strong points... is it?

WHY are we playing the partisan politics stance here? The problem of a broken healthcare
delivery system is on EVERYONE'S shoulders here......we,as a nation, continued to look the
other way.....thinking it would go away if we just ignored it......problem with THAT mindset is
this.....it then goes from being a "manageable" problem to a never ending nightmare....we are
NOW in the nightmare......the R's and D's keep "shelving/shuffling/and stuffing down" until we
now find ourselves in this present POS.......but see, we (collectively)are being called on our shit,
because there were MANY opportunities (hints) to resolve/correct the problem and we decided
to wait for "the brick" to hit us before we opted to do something about it.....WELCOME TO
THE PAIN OF THE BRICK......JMO

archer wrote:

Walter L Newton wrote:

archer wrote: Republicans FAIL

they had 4 years to provide input, to come up with practical alternatives to the ACA, to work with the Democrats to address problems in the ACA and vote on improvements. But they did not, their time was spent 1st trying to make Obama a one term president and then trying to defund or destroy the ACA......they FAILED. so now they have turned to a smear campaign with misinformation and fear tactics. Given their recent record, that too will fail.

This has nothing to do with the GOP. This belongs to the Democrats.

And while you are at it, list just one of the smears?

Death panels
Muslims are exempt
Congress is exempt
Non US citizens will be provided with free health care

And the list goes on......

Other than maybe the congress exemption, none of those "smears" are being talked about now that the actual law is being felt. People are talking about the real issues... the lies that are coming to light. We are discovering (I already predicted years ago) that there isn't much affordable in this bill unless you are one of the 15% that didn't have insurance. We are witnessing incompetence in building a 3 year $600 million dollar website. We are being kept in the dark about how many have signed up. We are finding out first hand that we can't keep the insurance we want and were intentionally lied to. These are not smears, these are facts... and if you don't believe there will be many many more inconvenient facts, I envy your optimism.

homeagain wrote: WHY are we playing the partisan politics stance here? The problem of a broken healthcare
delivery system is on EVERYONE'S shoulders here......we,as a nation, continued to look the
other way.....thinking it would go away if we just ignored it......problem with THAT mindset is
this.....it then goes from being a "manageable" problem to a never ending nightmare....we are
NOW in the nightmare......the R's and D's keep "shelving/shuffling/and stuffing down" until we
now find ourselves in this present POS.......but see, we (collectively)are being called on our sh**,
because there were MANY opportunities (hints) to resolve/correct the problem and we decided
to wait for "the brick" to hit us before we opted to do something about it.....WELCOME TO
THE PAIN OF THE BRICK......JMO

Because the Democrats, Progressives and Socialist in the government has created this mess. Period. And someone has to try to break their backs and correct this.

So who do you suggest? The Rainbow Coalition? Unicorns United? The "Can't We All Just Get Along" Party?

Nobody picked up the bricks and threw them back after Kristallnacht and you see what happened.

Save the non-partisan donkey show for the weak.

Rick wrote:

archer wrote:

Walter L Newton wrote:

archer wrote: Republicans FAIL

they had 4 years to provide input, to come up with practical alternatives to the ACA, to work with the Democrats to address problems in the ACA and vote on improvements. But they did not, their time was spent 1st trying to make Obama a one term president and then trying to defund or destroy the ACA......they FAILED. so now they have turned to a smear campaign with misinformation and fear tactics. Given their recent record, that too will fail.

This has nothing to do with the GOP. This belongs to the Democrats.

And while you are at it, list just one of the smears?

Death panels
Muslims are exempt
Congress is exempt y
Non US citizens will be provided with free health care
And the list goes on......

Other than maybe the congress exemption, none of those "smears" are being talked about now that the actual law is being felt. People are talking about the real issues... the lies that are coming to light. We are discovering (I already predicted years ago) that there isn't much affordable in this bill unless you are one of the 15% that didn't have insurance. We are witnessing incompetence in building a 3 year $600 million dollar website. We are being kept in the dark about how many have signed up. We are finding out first hand that we can't keep the insurance we want and were intentionally lied to. These are not smears, these are facts... and if you don't believe there will be many many more inconvenient facts, I envy your optimism.

I must have missed where Walter asked for smears that are being talked about now.....
You seem so concerned about a 600 million web site, where was your fiscal concern when the Republicans waster 20 billion on a government shut down?
Nothing "New" ever begins without unintended consequences, it's inherent in creating something entirely new. It's also inherent in going to war....remember the promises of being welcomed with open arms in Iraq, or Mission Accomplished? I will give the ACA time to work before making a determination on its effectiveness.......for every anecdotal story that rates have gone up there is an equal number of anecdotal stories of first time buyers of health insurance, of those who finally get insurance with pre existing conditions, and kids who will continue to be treated with the elimination of the cap. No surprise that you only emphasize the negative (like there were never negatives with the old system, or is it because the old system suited you just fine.....too bad it screwed others. They aren't you)

homeagain wrote: WHY are we playing the partisan politics stance here? The problem of a broken healthcare
delivery system is on EVERYONE'S shoulders here......we,as a nation, continued to look the
other way.....thinking it would go away if we just ignored it......problem with THAT mindset is
this.....it then goes from being a "manageable" problem to a never ending nightmare....we are
NOW in the nightmare......the R's and D's keep "shelving/shuffling/and stuffing down" until we
now find ourselves in this present POS.......but see, we (collectively)are being called on our sh**,
because there were MANY opportunities (hints) to resolve/correct the problem and we decided
to wait for "the brick" to hit us before we opted to do something about it.....WELCOME TO
THE PAIN OF THE BRICK......JMO

BS. The old system worked for the vast majority of Americans. But lets Fuck it all up for a very small minority.

archer wrote: I must have missed where Walter asked for smears that are being talked about now.....

Yes... what is being said about the ACA roll out and the revelations about policies that are smears?

archer wrote: You seem so concerned about a 600 million web site, where was your fiscal concern when the Republicans waster 20 billion on a government shut down?
No surprise that you only emphasize the negative

First of all, the shutdown could have been avoided with a delay in the ACA... something that would be a logical move considering it was rolled out with known problems. The ACA implodes under it's own weight if not enough people sign up right? Smart people in the private sector already know that you don't roll out something this big when it's a massive cluster****. But then again, nobody is talking about how smart this administration is these days.

And I emphasize the LIES that were told to us in order to sell the bill and to get Obama a second term. He knew millions and millions would lose their poicies... he lied. He knew the average family would not save $2500 a year... he lied. And he either knew the website was going to be a flop OR he was just a clueless bystander like with every other scandal in his administration.... both are very bad.

Most people who have signed up for anything under the ACA have signed up for medicare... something that does nothing to help the ACA cause.

Irony? Last month the Dems were whining that the GOP was shutting down the government to delay ACA and now many of those same Dems are now asking for a delay to Obamacare.