Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided US

FredHayek wrote: What do you mean Hillary refused to accept the results of the 2016 election? She conceded the race to Trump the morning after the election, after the media had called the election for Trump.

She did publicly concede, but since that day she has spent the last four years denying she lost. Blaming the Russians or the Electoral College. Calling Trump illegitimate. I hope this makes you understand why Trump and his minions are fighting the results right now. The Left ginned up a story about Russian influence and denied him his victory.[/quote]

Placing blame is vastly different that conceding. If she did not accept the results, she would have been throwing a tantrum like Trump is now doing.

Trump has lost the election by 4.5 million votes, yet he's trying to game the system through misinformation and lawsuits. Very little evidence can be found for voter fraud, yet how many conservatives now believe the 2020 election is illegitimate? This is because Trump and the Republicans are writing a narrative that there is rampant fraud and abuse, where there is none, and conservatives are buying into this false narrative.

ScienceChic wrote:

Pony Soldier wrote: Solomon is more reputable than CNN, MSNBC and all the three letter networks combined including Fox.

Do you mean this John Solomon?
Something fishy?
John Solomon had grand plans for the digital future of the Center for Public Integrity. But there was always a catch...
By Mariah Blake, Columbia Journalism Review | July / August 2012

Then again, Solomon has a history of bending the truth to his storyline. As a reporter for the AP and The Washington Post, he dug up his share of genuine dirt, but he also was notorious for massaging facts to conjure phantom scandals. In 2006, for instance, Solomon and fellow AP writer Sharon Theimer tried to tie now-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid to disgraced super-lobbyist Jack Abramoff. The piece hinged on a series of meetings Reid had with Abramoff’s staff to discuss a pending minimum-wage bill and gifts from Abramoff associates who opposed several casino-expansion projects. What it failed to mention is that Reid stuck to his longstanding position on both issues—meaning that any implications of influence peddling were bogus. In response to a similarly flawed story, then-Washington Post ombudsman Deborah Howell later dubbed Solomon’s style “‘gotcha’ without the gotcha.” This magazine, too, has taken him to task more than once for distorting facts and hyping petty stories. Similarly, reporters who worked under Solomon as an editor—seven of whom were interviewed for this article—say he often pressured them to mold the truth to his vision of the story. “He had this sort of thesis or idea of what the story was,” says one Center staff member. “Facts be damned.”

How a Veteran Reporter Worked with Giuliani’s Associates to Launch the Ukraine Conspiracy
Lev Parnas, recently indicted for foreign influence in U.S. elections, collaborated closely with The Hill’s John Solomon to fuel spurious allegations involving the Bidens and Ukraine.
by Jake Pearson, Mike Spies and J. David McSwane, ProPublica | Oct. 25, 2019,

The Hill finds John Solomon 'failed' to identify key details of sources
The publication reviewed the former columnist's work after it came under scrutiny during the impeachment inquiry.
By KYLE CHENEY, Politico | 02/19/2020

The Hill's review of John Solomon's columns on Ukraine
By The Hill staff | 02/19/20

Congratulations, you're lining his pocket and rewarding his crappy "jounrnalism."
Journalist John Solomon Launches JusttheNews.com
Capitol Communicator | January 18, 2020

I guess being right doesn’t count for anything...

koobookie wrote:

Pony Soldier wrote: You demand a source, I supply a source and you attack. Rinse repeat ad nauseam. Saying there is no evidence of fraud and then backing your claim with stories from the very entities in question begs the question of just how complicit are you?

You provide a questionable source from a biased web site. I'm not going to accept anything from that site.

mediabiasfactcheck.com/just-the-news/

You are the one making the allegation that there is evidence of fraud. I say prove it. Provide ample evidence, from credible sources, to back up your claim. Otherwise, it's just a temper tantrum.

I won’t accept a fact check from any of your biasedfactcheck.com democrat party sites. It is not up to me to prove fraud. It is up to the Trump legal team. He underestimated the size and scope of the swamp unfortunately. He also underestimated the absolute cult like attitude of their followers.

SC,
You might want to look closely at Reid's long standing positions.
"The piece hinged on a series of meetings Reid had with Abramoff’s staff to discuss a pending minimum-wage bill and gifts from Abramoff associates who opposed several casino-expansion projects. What it failed to mention is that Reid stuck to his longstanding position on both issues—meaning that any implications of influence peddling were bogus."

Reid was employed in the public sector for his adult life. Amassed a net worth of >$11 million.
www.nationalreview.com/2012/08/how-did-h...rich-betsy-woodruff/

And right there you see the central problem facing our democracy. The right wing is not willing to face any facts other than the fictions promoted by Brietbart, etc. They seem willing to destroy democracy rather than face the reality that they lost.

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: What do you mean Hillary refused to accept the results of the 2016 election? She conceded the race to Trump the morning after the election, after the media had called the election for Trump.

She did publicly concede, but since that day she has spent the last four years denying she lost. Blaming the Russians or the Electoral College. Calling Trump illegitimate. I hope this makes you understand why Trump and his minions are fighting the results right now. The Left ginned up a story about Russian influence and denied him his victory.

Placing blame is vastly different that conceding. If she did not accept the results, she would have been throwing a tantrum like Trump is now doing.

Trump has lost the election by 4.5 million votes, yet he's trying to game the system through misinformation and lawsuits. Very little evidence can be found for voter fraud, yet how many conservatives now believe the 2020 election is illegitimate? This is because Trump and the Republicans are writing a narrative that there is rampant fraud and abuse, where there is none, and conservatives are buying into this false narrative.[/quote]

Actually I saw a map made up by Democrats which showed that only 120,000 votes in strategic states could have swung this election. In 2016, every state Trump needed broke his way, sometimes only by a few thousand votes. This time he wasn't so lucky. They went Biden's way. Maybe people were tired of his act? But still like most GOP candidates so they added seats in the House and only lost a couple Senate seats.

And in those states you’re talking about Fred, the swing states, Republican poll watchers were blocked from watching the count illegally. While they were blocked, the vote totals swung wildly in violation of statistical possibility by wide margins. Vote “blocks” showed up after the election by the carloads until there were enough to declare Biden the winner. You guys really thought we wouldn’t fight back??? We are Americans and fight for our way of life including free and FAIR elections. Right now that fight is in the courts. Unfortunately Obama did a good job of packing courts with lackeys and is getting valid lawsuits tossed out. The fight will move to the streets as evidence continues to emerge of widespread fraud. Everyone knew you guys would play fast and loose with mail in ballots and that happened. There is evidence that the software used to tabulate votes can be and was rigged. Dominion is a highly partisan company and should not have been used. There is video evidence of ballot buying and admissions of massive fraud but you guys will simply scream “source” and try and debunk my sources while citing garbage. I believe we are at an impasse as a large chunk of republicans have list all faith in elections.

Pony Soldier wrote: And in those states you’re talking about Fred, the swing states, Republican poll watchers were blocked from watching the count illegally. While they were blocked, the vote totals swung wildly in violation of statistical possibility by wide margins. Vote “blocks” showed up after the election by the carloads until there were enough to declare Biden the winner. You guys really thought we wouldn’t fight back??? We are Americans and fight for our way of life including free and FAIR elections. Right now that fight is in the courts. Unfortunately Obama did a good job of packing courts with lackeys and is getting valid lawsuits tossed out. The fight will move to the streets as evidence continues to emerge of widespread fraud. Everyone knew you guys would play fast and loose with mail in ballots and that happened. There is evidence that the software used to tabulate votes can be and was rigged. Dominion is a highly partisan company and should not have been used. There is video evidence of ballot buying and admissions of massive fraud but you guys will simply scream “source” and try and debunk my sources while citing garbage. I believe we are at an impasse as a large chunk of republicans have list all faith in elections.

Please provide evidence of your allegation that poll watchers were not allowed to watch the vote count.

Please provide evidence that vote tabulation software was rigged.

Please provide your evidence that ballot buying happened, along with massive fraud.

I’m not in a fucking court of law. If you’re interested try duck duck go since google, Twitter, Facebook is censoring anything that might show anything pro-Trump.

I'm so sorry you cannot back up your allegations. Usually, when a person makes an unsubstantiated assertion, they retract it.