Biden wins White House, vowing new direction for divided US

14 Nov 2020 09:33 #81 by Pony Soldier
I’ve come to realize that it is pointless to argue about this election on here because everyone has locked in their positions and won’t hear anything that comes from the other side. I am guilty of this myself and have shared why that is. I have seen first hand the coopting of our media and know them for what they are.

I will just make this final statement and leave it at that. This election was stolen. It’s as plain as day if you’re willing to look. If you are interested in some excellent commentary on the issue, check out the Battleground America podcast. Tara is a friend of mine and is one of the sharpest minds around. Many of the big national syndicate shows actually use her for show prep. I know SC and Koobookie like to think that I get all my information from Rush and Hannity but the truth is I don’t even listen to them. They are corporate media and I know where their real loyalty lies.

Anyway, whatever happens with this election and the follow up, our country has been weakened. There are 10’s of millions -probably more - who no longer trust our institutions and rightly so.

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14 Nov 2020 09:50 #82 by homeagain
www.snopes.com/fact-check/dominion-deleted-trump-votes/

FOLLOWING FLAWED TWEETS are bringing this nation to it's knees ....KNOW the truth will
prevail,because people count the lies and see the lack of reality based actions/words as an indicator of
an ADROIT LIAR.

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14 Nov 2020 10:51 #83 by ScienceChic
PS, more than anything, I want you to know that your contributions here are valued. I myself never want to be in an echo chamber (as I see many of my friends gleefully announcing their departures from Facebook to Parler and MeWe, and it saddens me to lose those connections), and I do read and contemplate what you, and Rick, and ramage post. And then I do research looking for more info, and find things like the hand count certifications from Maricopa County that debunk the Dominion machines having issues and the judge dismissing the suit by the witnesses you cited. I understand your frustration, because it's exactly how Democrats felt after 2016's election and I was hoping that would mean we'd all understand how each other feels and start from a common ground.

Neither this election nor the one in 2016 was stolen, there is zero evidence of vote tampering (in both elections) at any level that would change the results that the American People voted in the majority for Biden, otherwise all the other results from those same exact ballots would be null and void, and no one is contesting them for down-ballot candidates and measures. It wasn't just states in which Democrats were the governors, or Secretaries of State that Biden won the majority of votes.

Foreign adversaries are still trying their best to sow doubt in us for our institutions, and we cannot let them succeed for if they do, they win. Those witnesses were not silenced, they had their day in court and what they wanted - a hand recount certifying the results, is happening. The lawsuits that have been dismissed were done by judges across many states - it would be nearly impossible to coordinate that grand of a conspiracy to corrupt them all for a partisan result (and I don't have the time, but I'll bet if you searched every one of those judges, you'll find ones that have served for years and were appointed by Trump, Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, and maybe even Reagan). Even some law firms hired by Trump have admitted the lawsuits were spurious, and some have pulled out of being involved in them - that says A LOT when even lawyers aren't willing to waste their time for the money they'd make continuing the effort.

We have to trust in our courts or there's nothing left to do but start fighting in the streets. We're better than that and we have far more to lose should that be our route to solving our divisions.

I agree with you 100% that trust in our institutions and election process has been weakened, but we have yet to have an in-depth conversation why and who the worst actors are in that effort. People on both sides are guilty of tossing around spurious accusations without facts and evidence to prove that our processes are being subverted. I haven't brought it up because I don't think most are willing to keep an open mind and delve into the facts, including our media who in many ways are egregiously failing in their duties to investigate and report on what's happening.

My husband sometimes asks me why I keep doing this, when it seems pointless to him. I reply that Thomas Jefferson and Abraham Lincoln are my guiding lights, the knowledge that we've been divided before and come back from that stronger than ever by working through our problems together. It's on us to continue having a dialog, sharing what we know, and challenging each other's information with credible information back while keeping at the forefront our good faith in one another. We all love this country, we want security, fairness, truth, and justice, and yes, it will mean putting aside our own biases at times to accept that truth. If we don't keep trying, then we might as well give up and count this experiment of our Democratic Republic a failure. I'm not the giving up type, and I hope you aren't either.

"I know no safe depository of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to William Charles Jarvis, September 28, 1820

"Cherish, therefore, the spirit of our people, and keep alive their attention. Do not be too severe upon their errors, but reclaim them by enlightening them. If once they become inattentive to the public affairs, you and I, and Congress, and Assemblies, Judges, and Governors, shall all become wolves." ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to Edward Carrington, January 16, 1787

"The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party divisions and make them one people." ~Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Dickinson, July 23, 1801

The enemy is fear. We think it is hate but it is really fear.
~Mahatma Ghandi

"We should be too big to take offense and too noble to give it." ~Abraham Lincoln

"If the great American people will only keep their temper, on both sides of the line, the troubles will come to an end, and the question which now distracts the country will be settled just as surely as all other difficulties of like character which have originated in this government have been adjusted." ~Abraham Lincoln

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." ~Abraham Lincoln

"If you want a better government, be better citizens." ~Jim Wright

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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14 Nov 2020 10:53 #84 by FredHayek
So why didn't the Russians deliver this election to Trump? Maybe because they realized Senator Biden was a better candidate to support? Senator Biden has pledged to limit fracking. Plus he supports the Green New Deal and the Paris Climate Accords. Russians oil oligarchs will love the higher prices and less competition as domestic drilling is curtailed.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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14 Nov 2020 11:25 #85 by ScienceChic
Because our counter-intelligence agencies were more on top of cyber attacks trying to infiltrate, Twitter refused to carry political ads, Facebook made at least a half-hearted attempt to shut down foreign-run groups and accounts, and a ton more people were motivated to get active and involved in this election who had already made up their minds based on the results of 4 years of Trump's administration (on both sides).

No, Biden is NOT for the Green New Deal as it is written. Yes, he has said he's going to get us back in the Paris Accords, as we should be because almost every other nation on earth is. We have to work with others, not petulantly demand they do what we tell them to, because that route means we become marginalized and lose our power and standing in the world. Yes, we need to wean ourselves off of fossil fuels as the effects of climate change are here and obvious to everyone who's suffered the historic wildfires and hurricanes we've been having, and will continue to have. Economically, Russia is nothing and the corrupt oligarchs who keep propping up Putin's regime with outdated resources will not last. Sustainable energy sources are the future, and the path to better national security and economic stability. No, it cannot be done all at once, but it must be done sooner rather than later.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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14 Nov 2020 11:33 #86 by Pony Soldier
I’m sorry SC, but reading your posts just reinforces my resolve to not bother with talk on this election any more. You cite things like one county proving that 28 states were correctly tabulated and I have to wonder what Orwell would have thought. You act like there was one witness. There were thousands. This is still in the courts but I don’t hold any hope of any resolution other than a physical throw down unfortunately. It will be the young who fight this fight. I’m a bit long in the tooth for that sort of thing myself.

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14 Nov 2020 11:43 #87 by ScienceChic
I understand that there are multiple witnesses, I only cited one because 1.) I don't have time to look up every single one and 2.) that one is indicative of the trend of the bigger picture of most of the lawsuits and witness statements from what I've seen reported.

Why in the world would Democrats "steal" the results of the Presidency and not also take the Senate at the same time to make it a clean sweep for power? Why are the rest of the elections not contested when all votes were tabulated with the same exact ballots? Logic alone demonstrates that the results of the Presidential race are as they are called.

Did you know that the calls for donations to fight the results with lawsuits by Trump's campaign aren't necessarily going to the lawsuits? It's a grift, nothing more. Trump knows he can't win this, but he is a narcissist who needs to stoke the outrage in his fans and keep the money rolling in - he's got hundreds of millions of debt due soon. Follow the money and you find the motivation for his actions.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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14 Nov 2020 12:05 #88 by homeagain
THIS is the problem.....lies sow distrust and THAT creates a vacuum for VALID conversation... I am NOT
trying to convince U Pony, I am ATTEMPTING to establish a baseline for the TRUTH. When U R dealing
with an individual whose persona has an agenda of chaos and a loose relationship with the TRUTH(quote
from Romney)it brings forth a stance of "show me".....I have stated MANY times BOTH sides are corrupt.

THE YOUNG will summons the FOURTH TURNING....they are the prophets and the heroes....

ummary

An average life is 80 years, and consists of four periods of ~20–22 years
Childhood → Young adult → Midlife → Elderhood
A generation is an aggregate of people born every ~20–22 years
Baby Boomers → Gen X → Millennials → Homelanders
Each generation experiences "four turnings" every ~80–90 years
High → Awakening → Unraveling → Crisis
A generation is considered "dominant" or "recessive" according to the turning experienced as young adults. But as a youth generation comes of age and defines its collective persona an opposing generational archetype is in its midlife peak of power.
Dominant: independent behavior + attitudes in defining an era
Recessive: dependent role in defining an era
Dominant Generations
Prophet: Awakening as young adults. Awakening, defined: Institutions are attacked in the name of personal and spiritual autonomy
Hero: Crisis as young adults. Crisis, defined: Institutional life is destroyed and rebuilt in response to a perceived threat to the nation's survival
Recessive Generations
Nomad: Unraveling as young adults. Unraveling, defined: Institutions are weak and distrusted, individualism is strong and flourishing
Artist: High [when they become] young adults. High, defined: Institutions are strong and individualism is weak

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14 Nov 2020 13:26 #89 by FredHayek
Russia, Ukraine, China, and other nations are trying to buy influence in DC. One way to do it is to hire lobbyists, another? Pay the children of elected American politicians

China has to be happy that Senator Biden has won. The Biden administration will repeal many of the tariffs that the Trump administration levied on them. They should also be less distrustful of Chinese spying via Tik Tok and 5G hardware and software.

Thomas Sowell: There are no solutions, just trade-offs.

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14 Nov 2020 13:33 #90 by homeagain
thehill.com/opinion/campaign/525992-the-...-over-their-doubters

THE YOUNG WILL reach for the torch of truth....THEY will alter the landscape of lies...and they will wear
their courage like a crown.

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