Obama Insults Small Business Owners

So SC, when you initially decided to take on this website did you make that decision on your own? If you did, did you front the cash to make the purchase and take ownership on your own? If you did then didn't you do that on your own? My point is that new small businesses come from individuals with ideas that may or may not bear the forces of the market, the magic is in finding the combination of price to produce, profit, and cost to consumers.

Once a small business passes the test of providing a service or good at a price that meets with your community's demand it will take flight and of course you will need help, 285Bound is a fine example of that model. Telling small business owners they didn't get there on their own ignores the conception of small businesses and the determination and entrepreneurship of individuals who are willing to take the risk and make the investment to start a small business in the first place.

IMO, everyone should go to the OP article and read the full transcript and decide for yourself. I understand the basic message Obama was trying to convey, but IMO he did do a poor job of it and I also took it as an insult to entrepreneurs and risk takers too. There are a huge number of businesses that fail, probably a majority depending on what stat you use. No one is arguing the need for infrastructure and education, but he is way downplaying the achievements of business creators.

Thumbs down for that speech. Typical Obama. IMO Its just a different delivery of his class warfare message and dividing people against each other. The subtle message is shut up and pay your 40-50% in taxes.

LOL wrote: IMO, everyone should go to the OP article and read the full transcript and decide for yourself. I understand the basic message Obama was trying to convey, but IMO he did do a poor job of it and I also took it as an insult to entrepreneurs and risk takers too. There are a huge number of businesses that fail, probably a majority depending on what stat you use. No one is arguing the need for infrastructure and education, but he is way downplaying the achievements of business creators.

Thumbs down for that speech. Typical Obama. IMO

I did go to the article and read the transcript... Dog was right...It was an idiotic post and and idiotic take on something that is true...and conveniently edited to try to make it sound like something else--by the usual poster...

I did decide for myself.

I won't be voting for Romney. (Imagine your surprise!)

1. He is just the president. His opinion of how we business owners got to where we got is not very relevant. Of course we interact, therefor we are where we are because of many things of the past. We are all where we are because of the A bomb and the invention of fire...so what. Police officers owe their jobs to criminals, but never seem to say thanks. This is just his uninformed opinion that is not very consequential. We just need him to run the exec branch, not inject philosophy.

2. All of the people that helped us did so of their own free will or were compensated or we just outright stole from them (it happens a lot in the world). It is called trade. Mom decided to have us, my 2nd grade teacher got paid and is still living off of a pretty good pension, my first vendor got paid, my landlord, town, painter, power company, etc. all got paid FOR THE STUFF THEY DO TO HELP ME GET WHERE I GET. Just like I provided them the money they could not have had without me....it is important to remember that they ALL did it for selfish reasons, so they could get ahead, that is why we trade, even employee types.

3. It was an insult and I am not sure what his goal is in saying it. If someone makes a statement that I feel that something that was said was insulting to frequent internet posting females that play jazz music, my opinion would be WAY less relevant than Lady Jazzer's. If some guy that hears about a rape has an opinion about rape, it is less relivant that the opinion of the one raped. Employees and servants can talk about this all they want about what they think of Obama;s comment about business owners, their opinion will be less valuable because they are part of a completely different group, one that has set itself up as the enemy of the hand that feeds them.

4. If one could argue that the business owner owes 1-99% of what he/she gets to do in business to others, let's not forget that 100% of the opportunity that employees have are because of the employer or business owner. Still clear who owes more....oh wait we all traded of our own free will (except for the onerous regs), so no one owes anything to anyone or they have stolen. Is Obama saying that business owners have stolen something or left a deal incomplete en mass?

5. Don't forget we (employees and business owners) give well over 50% of the fruits of our labor back to society, aka we give back a shit ton, all of us, most of which goes to waste and want that is not well implemented, employers even do the homework to take care of employees' govt. paperwork (under penalty of jail for making a math error) for their contributions and in many cases the sales tax paperwork for our customers' contributions (under penalty of jail for making a math error). Are they owed anything for that, literally doing 100,000,000 of homework sessions for ignorant or untrustworthy workers (or we would have them do their own homework and send in their own payments)?

6. Again he is just the president and he has opinions. He is not a business owner of any traditional or businesses not related to him profiting off of his writing/political ways. If anything, we should be discussing the action item, what policy is he proposing to change, is he looking to squeeze business owners more so that we fire more people (oops, I mean lay off)? He is in governement and government has very little to do with business, they are just there to protect basic rights so that we can do business....the thing the govt needs 100% to even exist. He should say thanks to us...and likely often does.

On that note vote for Gary Johnson.

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On that note vote for Gary Johnson.

And on that note... I agree with 99% of everything you said. Otherwise... every vote for the Green Party is one less vote for Obama... and every vote for Gary Johnson is one less vote for Romney. Someone like you who has such a keen insight to what makes a capitalist society tick... your clock has stop in regards to politics.

Democracy4Sale wrote:

LOL wrote: IMO, everyone should go to the OP article and read the full transcript and decide for yourself. I understand the basic message Obama was trying to convey, but IMO he did do a poor job of it and I also took it as an insult to entrepreneurs and risk takers too. There are a huge number of businesses that fail, probably a majority depending on what stat you use. No one is arguing the need for infrastructure and education, but he is way downplaying the achievements of business creators.

Thumbs down for that speech. Typical Obama. IMO

I did go to the article and read the transcript... Dog was right...It was an idiotic post and and idiotic take on something that is true...and conveniently edited to try to make it sound like something else--by the usual poster...

I did decide for myself.

I won't be voting for Romney. (Imagine your surprise!)

Why doesn't LJ discuss the meat of what Obama is claiming here? All she can do is say that it's an idiotic post without saying why. Why is it not a big deal that obama is clueless about how businesses get started in the first place and who should get the overwhelming credit?

If my strategy is to get Obama out, then I should vote for Romney, but that is not my goal in this election, though it is one of my desires.

My political goal is to get freedom in business and my personal life. Voting for either flavor of heavy control won't get me to my goal.

We need to wake people up to realize that govt does not have the solutions to our problems, we do. We just need them to protect basic liberties and contracts and the rest we will optimize.

Since Obama wants to fix everything with govt influence and new ideas, I cannot vote for him. Also the rampant jailing of citizens etc. disqualify him.

Since Romney wants to fix everything with govt influence and old ideas, I cannot vote for him. Also after living under him in MA and hearing his comments on govt control of things.

I agree that some of us may be better off in 2years if Romney is in. We will all be better off in 10 if we get people off this R/D control crap and simply reduce the size of govt so that we are not slowed down any more.

Our short sightedness got us here (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....), do we really think if we have the same arguments with the same options that we have been trying for decades that things will change. They will just be more of the same and Romney and Obama are only 1% different, which leaves 99% the same.

It's all just a little bit of history repeating, unless we don't repeat it.

Rinse, Lather, Repeat as needed.....it's not needed.

The biggest issues in the US right now is the number of citizens that are locked up, yet neither of these guys talk about this very much, they keep pretending like they are running the economy, when what they are running is the jails.

Rick, They will never admit Obama blew it with this speech. He will probably refine the message and soften it, but you can bet we will hear it more. Besides, I bet Federal spending on Education and Infrastructure is up not down over the last 4-8 years. Anyone want to look it up?

I can not disagree with much of what you said. The question is do we have 10 years. The US will probably bail out California but there is no one to bail out the US. My hope is that the tea party contingent becomes strong enough to hold Romney's feet to the fire.

on that note wrote: If my strategy is to get Obama out, then I should vote for Romney, but that is not my goal in this election, though it is one of my desires.

My political goal is to get freedom in business and my personal life. Voting for either flavor of heavy control won't get me to my goal.

We need to wake people up to realize that govt does not have the solutions to our problems, we do. We just need them to protect basic liberties and contracts and the rest we will optimize.

Since Obama wants to fix everything with govt influence and new ideas, I cannot vote for him. Also the rampant jailing of citizens etc. disqualify him.

Since Romney wants to fix everything with govt influence and old ideas, I cannot vote for him. Also after living under him in MA and hearing his comments on govt control of things.

I agree that some of us may be better off in 2years if Romney is in. We will all be better off in 10 if we get people off this R/D control crap and simply reduce the size of govt so that we are not slowed down any more.

Our short sightedness got us here (Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter....), do we really think if we have the same arguments with the same options that we have been trying for decades that things will change. They will just be more of the same and Romney and Obama are only 1% different, which leaves 99% the same.

It's all just a little bit of history repeating, unless we don't repeat it.

Rinse, Lather, Repeat as needed.....it's not needed.

The biggest issues in the US right now is the number of citizens that are locked up, yet neither of these guys talk about this very much, they keep pretending like they are running the economy, when what they are running is the jails.