Obama Insults Small Business Owners

16 Jul 2012 11:15 #21 by ScienceChic

otisptoadwater wrote: So SC, when you initially decided to take on this website did you make that decision on your own? If you did, did you front the cash to make the purchase and take ownership on your own? If you did then didn't you do that on your own? My point is that new small businesses come from individuals with ideas that may or may not bear the forces of the market, the magic is in finding the combination of price to produce, profit, and cost to consumers.

Once a small business passes the test of providing a service or good at a price that meets with your community's demand it will take flight and of course you will need help, 285Bound is a fine example of that model. Telling small business owners they didn't get there on their own ignores the conception of small businesses and the determination and entrepreneurship of individuals who are willing to take the risk and make the investment to start a small business in the first place.

Hey otis, thanks for asking! No, I didn't make the decision on my own because every big decision made in this household is made together between hubby and I. The money for it came essentially from his job as I was a stay-at-home mom (although he'll tell you it's "our" money, and that my staying home has afforded us opportunities that we wouldn't have had otherwise, and has saved us money, but essentially, he makes it all at this point. That'll change as the kids get older and don't need me around as much) and if he hadn't supported me doing this, I wouldn't have. The reason that we even had enough to do it is because he started working for a company 20 years ago as a computer programmer and has since moved up to Director in charge of IT, Human Resources, and Strategic Planning. He never could've been promoted to run Human Resources and done Strategic Planning if it weren't for getting his MBA - and that required learningfrom others. While my education and other work experiences are completely unrelated to this business, it's been invaluable in helping me make good decisions, add useful and unique services, and improve my customer service. No one is born knowing how to run a business, and plain hard work without direction, focus, guidance, responsiveness, and education will not translate into success. The infrastructure and systems in our country give us the opportunity that many in other under-developed countries don't have - we don't have to fight just to survive from starvation or disease on a country-wide scale, we encourage our girls to go to school and join the work force, we can easily travel large distances and market around the globe, etc.
In reading that entire transcript, the two sentences that I have a problem with are these:

If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen.

and I have to think that those were mis-spoken mistakes. I don't agree with them, and I doubt he does either, because he's not that stupid and he's also said

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative

that we’re not guaranteed success, but we’re guaranteed the right to work hard for success.

both indicative of self-reliance and personal responsibility and abilities to me.

What I find that I'm struggling with is that I am deficient in computer coding skills, and graphic design skills, and have to rely on others to fill that need which maybe I could do faster myself and provide better service if I was more capable - to boost that, I'll need to take classes, and spend time practicing. That's not something that I can do solely on my own, and that's my point (and I think what Obama was trying to get at, though he said it badly). Every business is built upon knowledge learned from others, whether you are a blacksmith who learned in the shop from your dad, or a sole-proprietor dentist's office. Yes, any business can succeed as long as it provides a desired service, and does it well, but no one does anything without benefit from their circumstances, education, willingness to work hard, and the opportunities available here in this country.

I think he was trying to make the audience feel connected with one another, to remind people of the ties that bind a community and a country, not slam on small business owners, but we can agree to disagree on that point as everyone will find parts of any message that speaks more personally to them than others, and is interpreted based on their own beliefs, experiences, and perspectives. There's truth somewhere in all perspectives, and when it comes down to it, can we say with certainty what President Obama really meant? Only he can, really. It'll be interesting if more does come out concerning this speech, and perhaps a better explanation from Obama himself.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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16 Jul 2012 11:18 #22 by Reverend Revelant

Science Chic wrote:
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What I find that I'm struggling with is that I am deficient in computer coding skills, and graphic design skills, and have to rely on others to fill that need which maybe I could do faster myself and provide better service if I was more capable


You should have asked me for help when we met at the VFW breakfast :)

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16 Jul 2012 11:21 #23 by ScienceChic
You ran out the door too fast! :biggrin:

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

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16 Jul 2012 11:37 #24 by Reverend Revelant

Science Chic wrote: You ran out the door too fast! :biggrin:


I offered to help... eek... did I just out myself as a closet liberal?

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16 Jul 2012 11:56 #25 by Nobody that matters

Science Chic wrote: I think he was trying to make the audience feel connected with one another, to remind people of the ties that bind a community and a country, not slam on small business owners...


If that's what he was shooting for, there's a speech writer somewhere that desperately needs to be fired.

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16 Jul 2012 12:04 #26 by FredHayek
So the guy who never created a business, small or otherwise, is telling what it is to start one?

Like people who aren't parents scolding parents?

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16 Jul 2012 12:09 #27 by BearMtnHIB

Democracy4Sale wrote:

LOL wrote: IMO, everyone should go to the OP article and read the full transcript and decide for yourself. I understand the basic message Obama was trying to convey, but IMO he did do a poor job of it and I also took it as an insult to entrepreneurs and risk takers too. There are a huge number of businesses that fail, probably a majority depending on what stat you use. No one is arguing the need for infrastructure and education, but he is way downplaying the achievements of business creators.

Thumbs down for that speech. Typical Obama. IMO


I did go to the article and read the transcript... Dog was right...It was an idiotic post and and idiotic take on something that is true...and conveniently edited to try to make it sound like something else--by the usual poster...

I did decide for myself.

I won't be voting for Romney. (Imagine your surprise!)

I think just about everyone in this thread has got this one wrong. This is a massive insult to every business owner and to every innovator, entrepreneur and wealth creator.

And you guys just don't get it- the POTUS does not say anything that hasn't been thoughtfully considered, re-considered and over-analyzed by dozens of staff.

This message has a key under lying root- Obama was raised and educated in communist concepts since he was a little lad. This is not just some right wing assertion- the facts bear the truth of this.

It all about how your mind has been conditioned to think- and Obama has it exactly wrong. Yes- capitalism in the USA used to depend to some extent on a bridge- or a road, or a telephone/internet line.

What Obama and all the other Socialists around here completely fail to understand is that every single dollar that was used to create that road, bridge and telephone line came from Free Market Capitalist's - and private businesses- and from those entrepreneurs who busted their asses to make a dollar and better themselves.

They didn't do it for the government- they did it for themselves- and in the process of making a living for themselves and for their families- the government came along- jumped out from behind an alley- and mugged them for a pretty good chunk of their labor's earnings.

The government then proceeded to piss away most of that money, and inadvertently built some roads- and some bridges- and a "telephone line"- (actually all the first roads and bridges and almost all the telephone lines were privately funded).

That fact is - the vast majority of us who are willing and capable of pulling our own weight- those of us who innovate, create, develop, build our own businesses and bust our asses every day.....

We don't need the government- we don't need 90% of what they supposedly do.

But
THE GOVERNMENT?

They need us BIG time. Without us- THEY wouldn't have a pot to piss in, and that's a fact. Without us- they are dead meat! If we - the American innovator, inventor, business operator / developer were not here, then this Socialist experiment that Obama claimes we need- they would be toast. Big Government needs us more than we need them, and is the cold hard truth!

Without us to fleece of our earnings- the government would seize to exist - and in very short order.

If your a Socialist - like Obama then sure, your brain tells you that all us poor citizens would be nowhere without the government....

If your a capitalist- you know better. You know that without the producers- the looters die fast!

Obama is an insult to every hard working American because he's a commie through and through.

Who dies first? Does the American worker / wealth creator die if there is not government to take care of us? Or does the government die first if there is no one to steal money from?

Somehow I think the innovators will do just fine- they will find a way.

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16 Jul 2012 12:21 #28 by FredHayek
Bear,
I don't know about that. The Soviets managed to cook the books for decades, sort of like the US and Federal Reserve have been doing for years.

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16 Jul 2012 13:03 #29 by BearMtnHIB

FredHayek wrote: Bear,
I don't know about that. The Soviets managed to cook the books for decades, sort of like the US and Federal Reserve have been doing for years.

Yes they can cook the books all they want- and now days they can keep printing money until it's worthless- but it's all fake.

Even if the dollar collapsed totally- we could begin to trade with each other again, and build an economy again with hard work and innovation.

The only real economy we have is a celebration of the entrepreneur, the risk taker and the cultivator of wealth through human intellect, creativity and labor.

Our government creates nothing - it takes every single cent from the producer class in America. In the end- governments die, the producers live on.

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16 Jul 2012 13:22 #30 by LOL
I still think it was a subtle message to guilt people into accepting higher tax rates at the top end. You owe something back, more than today's rates, even though businesses pay higher property taxes, and generate lots of sales and payroll taxes already. Not to mention healthcare and other bennies. Don't re-invest profits in growing your business, send them to Obama instead. LOL

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