Another Reason we Need a Change in the White House

Something the Dog Said wrote: Are you saying that all jobs are created by the government? That private sector hiring has not increased?

I said no such thing.
I said
Stimulus dollars are taxpayer dollars.
Stimulus dollars are going to immigrants.
The immigrant population includes many illegals.
Therefore tax dollars are going to illegals.

Grady wrote:

Something the Dog Said wrote: Are you saying that all jobs are created by the government? That private sector hiring has not increased?

I said no such thing.
I said
Stimulus dollars are taxpayer dollars.
Stimulus dollars are going to immigrants.
The immigrant population includes many illegals.
Therefore tax dollars are going to illegals.

Where and how are stimulus dollars going to illegal immigrants? The article merely refers to jobs, with no reference to the stimulus funding. Once again, are you saying that the only jobs being created are through stimulus funds? I did not find any reference to stimulus money going to illegal immigrants. Can you provide the link to your assertions, or admit they are incorrect?

once again from the article posted

Two-thirds of those who have found employment under President Obama are immigrants, both legal and illegal

It's really pretty simple
Stimulus dollars are taxpayer dollars.
Stimulus dollars are going to immigrants.
The immigrant population includes many illegals.
Therefore tax dollars are going to illegals

Grady wrote: once again from the article posted

Two-thirds of those who have found employment under President Obama are immigrants, both legal and illegal

It's really pretty simple
Stimulus dollars are taxpayer dollars.
Stimulus dollars are going to immigrants.
The immigrant population includes many illegals.
Therefore tax dollars are going to illegals

And again, where does it say that all jobs in the US are created by the government through stimulus dollars. The article is about private sector jobs, not stimulus backed jobs. I really don't believe that all of the private jobs created in the last 4 years were created with stimulus dollars but evidently you do. I ask you yet again, where does the article state that all of the private sector jobs created in the last four years were from stimulus dollars. Because it does not say so. You have created this entire false premise that stimulus money is being paid to illegal immigrants. This is simply not supported by the article. You have fabricated that premise. Try reading the article before you use it for your false premise.

And again, where does it say that all jobs in the US are created by the government through stimulus dollars. It doesn't The article is about private sector jobs, not stimulus backed jobs. I really don't believe that all of the private jobs created in the last 4 years were created with stimulus dollars they weren't but evidently you do. nope I ask you yet again, where does the article state that all of the private sector jobs created in the last four years were from stimulus dollars. Because it does not say so. You have created this entire false premise that stimulus money is being paid to illegal immigrants. This is simply not supported by the article. You have fabricated that premise. Try reading the article before you use it for your false premise.

Are you saying no illegals have received jobs as a result of stimulus money and therefore no illegals have benefited from tax dollars?

I am saying there is no evidence from the article that you linked that supports that taxpayer dollars are going to illegal immigrants.

You claim that the article states that taxpayer dollars are going to illegal immigrants through stimulus spending. I did not see anything that supports that premise. So I am requesting that you provide the evidence that supports your statement.

I can prove that Billions and Billions and Billions of our tax dollars are directly going to illegal's.

And this is just the tip of the iceberg.

All levels of government- City, State and Federal contract for services - and in the case of the Feds- they grant money and loan stimilus money to companies of their choosing- hundreds of Billions.

Every one of these companies- built into thir cost of doing business- leases buildings and pays rent. While some of those companies do not hire illegals- some do. But nearly every company leases a commercial building, and part of that lease goes to housekeeping or grounds maintenance.

The management companies hire sub-contractors to cut the lawns, trim bushes, install and maintain irrigation systems- and clean up office buildings. Almost all of those companies use illegal labor for these services. They use creative accounting methods to mask this fact- but from my experience, they pay these people under the table or use fake social security numbers to get the jobs. The illegal then claims so many dependants on their paperwork that no taxes are collected from them.

This dosn't just happen to companies that use government money- but it happens to just about every private company as well.

The building I work in - we have a management company who hires cleaning companies and landscape companies to maintain the building- and I estimate just in my building alone, there are 15 to 20 jobs for this purpose. Every single one of them does not speak English- only spanish. Construction companies are notorious for hiring at least some - if not all illegal labor.

My company would never hire an illegal, but we pay for 15 to 20 illegals unknowingly - through sub contractors- and their sub-contractors. The same thing happens to companies which are being funded with taxpayer money.

Cities and State governments have the same problems- while their direct contractors may not hire illegals- those sub-contractors that they hire may be hiring illegals. It's a massive- wide spread problem that will not go away until we pass laws that come down hard on employers who hire illegals.

And one way to do that- is to make every company responsible - if they are found to be hriring illegal labor- they should be disqualified for any government contract or grant or loan for say 5 years.

That should get their attention.

And all this is costing us American jobs- millions of them when you add it all up. Truely discusting when you consider that 30 million of us are looking for jobs right now.

Or one could argue, without illegal immigrants doing jobs no American wants at low wages, it keeps the price of overhead down, keeping businesses afloat, keeping legal immigrants and citizens in higher paying jobs.

I do believe companies should be heavily penalized for hiring undocumented workers, but much heavier than loss of government contracts. There should be criminal penalties for the CEO's of companies that knowing hired undocumented workers and for those who did not take reasonable steps to verify their citizenship. That would most definitely get their attention.

Something the Dog Said wrote: Or one could argue, without illegal immigrants doing jobs no American wants at low wages, it keeps the price of overhead down, keeping businesses afloat, keeping legal immigrants and citizens in higher paying jobs.

There are means of bringing in legal seasonal workers. One could also argue that if there were no illegals to take those low wage jobs the rate would necessarily have to climb until legal citizens would take the work. We all know that illegals are not just taking the "low wage jobs".

Something the Dog Said wrote: I do believe companies should be heavily penalized for hiring undocumented workers, but much heavier than loss of government contracts. There should be criminal penalties for the CEO's of companies that knowing hired undocumented workers and for those who did not take reasonable steps to verify their citizenship. That would most definitely get their attention.

agreed

Doesn't matter if they want the job or not. I don't think it reasonable to compel one to give up revenue that they earn doing their job to provide for the individual welfare of someone whom they've never met simply because it's not a job that person wants to do. Just because one has a college degree doesn't mean that they are above mowing lawns or cleaning toilets to provide for their own sustenance. One who failed to complete the "free" secondary level of education afforded them through the kindness and generosity of others has even less cause to claim that it's a job that they don't want to do IMNTBHO.

There is not a single good reason that those who are physically capable of picking crops who are on public assistance shouldn't have to do that work when it is available in order to lessen the burden that they are placing on their fellow citizens. There isn't a single good reason that those physically capable of working who are on public assistance shouldn't have to show up at a day labor center each and every day to remain eligible for their publicly funded subsidies. There isn't a single good reason why we should have even a single person who dropped out of high school receiving public assistance unless they are also working towards correcting that earlier error.

For crying out loud, that's something even a yellow dog "progressive" can agree with, isn't it?