Secession petitions filed in 20 states

I think your work doesn't allow Facebook. I'm logged out of Facebook and I see it fine.

Raees wrote: I think your work doesn't allow Facebook. I'm logged out of Facebook and I see it fine.

Facebook, Flikr, and Photobucket are all blocked. It's kind of a drag, sometimes I get a real giggle out of the cartoons - even if they're aimed at me

Almost all the images I post are being shared on, and come from, Facebook.

Actually with current demographic changes, (minorities having more babies), Texas may turn blue in about 10 years. Can they re-apply for admission to the union? Or they could make the state part of Mexico again.

Texas was blue until 1976... What, did they have more white babies that year? I guess you and the White Aryans better get down there and start encouraging all those good ol' boys to start breeding more, so's they can keep up with the "Mesicans"...

Saw an interesting article about the Dems and the year 1988. After losing three presidential elections by huge numbers in the electoral college, they were at a crisis point. The traditional Democratic south had started to vote Republican.

But only four years later, thanks to Perot's help, Clinton managed a win, and the Dems started on their road back. So while a 3% win in the popular vote looks to some here like the Dems will no longer have to worry about the GOP, but I am not ready to throw dirt on the Republicans yet.

What I read is that when Texas turns blue, Republicans will no longer have a winnable electoral path to the White House.

The GOP response I envision will have Republicans embracing the "moochers and takers" in order to win. They'll just say their Hispanics are hard working, unlike Democratic Hispanics. It's interesting to the see the Florida Cubans moving away from the Republican party now.

Raees wrote: What I read is that when Texas turns blue, Republicans will no longer have a winnable electoral path to the White House.

And, as predicted, the GOTP will be relegated to the dust-bin of history... They can't sell that "You're on your own" Randroid Party-of-Selfish to enough angry white guys to sway the election anymore.

Let's see - last Civil War in this country led to 750,000 deaths - directly. That does not count the deaths to civilians who were in the wrong place at the wrong time, who were killed for supporting one side or the other, who starved to death when their crops were burned or "requisitioned", who died during the reformation. Note that the population of the U.S. in 1960 was 31,443,321 - so 750,000 + is a major loss - 2 % of the population.

Direct costs of the Civil War - $3.66 Billion in the North, $3.28 Billion to the South.

Indirect costs - over $3 billion for both sides. In addition to the direct costs.

http://www.princeton.edu/rpds/papers/Go ... EH1975.pdf

Note, this is based on 1860 valuation of money. As we know, Confederate dollars post war were worth, well, nothing. plenty were used in outhouses.

Do the math - extrapolate what the value of an 1860s dollar would be worth today. Note, this is NOT going to count our expenditures overseas.

So, is the expense, the direct damage, the deaths - direct and indirect, the family vs family yet again - worth it?

You all are bitching already about taxes and tax money and where it goes - think you could survive the taxation of an internal war?

You make light, Grady - but the reality is, the first time was very well proven NOT in the least worth it to those who seceded the first time - most lost everything, including their lives. And that time, it was over a worthier issue that who the president is- a situation that can change in 4 years - or less. depending on a number of variables. It was a life changing issue last time - a 4 year presidency is NOT even close to the same level as that of slavery.

So, worth seceding? Worth losing family, friends, home, everything you own, even your life? Worth driving what remains of your family into a state of abject poverty only known now in the worst sections of third world countries? Really? This "symbolic gesture" is worth all that? Cause some of you all might think it is only symbolism - and if you do, you're truly not paying attention to the deadly serious folk currently stockpiling everything so they can literally go to war on their neighbors. Some of them who actually live right around here.

In my opinion these are folks who are using the right "to petition the Govenment for a redress of grievances" over the lack of adults in DC and nothing more. All the talk about folks being "unpatriotic" and "treasonous" to me simply shows the contempt that the tyranically-inclined have for First Amendment political expression.

I'm done. I'm outta here.

well said