President's Executive Orders announced.

Grady wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Personally I think the Second Amendment needs to be repealed by the states and then all guns banned. The are far more murders with handguns than any other weapon in the United States.

How about if we compromise....

You don't like guns, so you don't have to own any.

I do like guns, so I can own the guns want.

Everyone gets what they want! Win/Win!

:woo hoo:

I don't like handguns in the hands of folks who are shooting up the youth of Chicago for instance. So... how do you prevent that from happening... over 500 deaths last years.

How many of those 500 were by legal firearm owners? Chicago has a gang problem, and a violence problem.

Doesn't matter... they got handguns. Because they are available. If they were not legally for sale, it would certainly cut down on the amount of illegal guns floating around. Simple. Once handguns are illegal, then ANYONE who is caught with one is a criminal. Put them in jail.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Personally I think the Second Amendment needs to be repealed by the states and then all guns banned. The are far more murders with handguns than any other weapon in the United States.

How about if we compromise....

You don't like guns, so you don't have to own any.

I do like guns, so I can own the guns want.

Everyone gets what they want! Win/Win!

:woo hoo:

I don't like handguns in the hands of folks who are shooting up the youth of Chicago for instance. So... how do you prevent that from happening... over 500 deaths last years.

Maybe they could make a law that says shooting someone is illegal?

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Grady wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Personally I think the Second Amendment needs to be repealed by the states and then all guns banned. The are far more murders with handguns than any other weapon in the United States.

How about if we compromise....

You don't like guns, so you don't have to own any.

I do like guns, so I can own the guns want.

Everyone gets what they want! Win/Win!

:woo hoo:

I don't like handguns in the hands of folks who are shooting up the youth of Chicago for instance. So... how do you prevent that from happening... over 500 deaths last years.

How many of those 500 were by legal firearm owners? Chicago has a gang problem, and a violence problem.

Doesn't matter... they got handguns. Because they are available. If they were not legally for sale, it would certainly cut down on the amount of illegal guns floating around. Simple. Once handguns are illegal, then ANYONE who is caught with one is a criminal. Put them in jail.

That worked so well with prohibition of alcohol and drugs, hasn't it?

And talk about over reaction: Hawaii is looking at confiscating all the registered assault rifles (Registrations does lead to confiscation!).
Even though only 4 people in Hawaii have been killed by rifle (any kind of rifle) in the last three years.

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Grady wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Personally I think the Second Amendment needs to be repealed by the states and then all guns banned. The are far more murders with handguns than any other weapon in the United States.

How about if we compromise....

You don't like guns, so you don't have to own any.

I do like guns, so I can own the guns want.

Everyone gets what they want! Win/Win!

:woo hoo:

I don't like handguns in the hands of folks who are shooting up the youth of Chicago for instance. So... how do you prevent that from happening... over 500 deaths last years.

How many of those 500 were by legal firearm owners? Chicago has a gang problem, and a violence problem.

Doesn't matter... they got handguns. Because they are available. If they were not legally for sale, it would certainly cut down on the amount of illegal guns floating around. Simple. Once handguns are illegal, then ANYONE who is caught with one is a criminal. Put them in jail.

And if handguns were deemed illegal to possess, there would have to be a taxpayer funded buy back program that would only work if the amount of reimbursement was at least equal to what the gun is worth. And if guns were no longer for sale in gun stores, the value would skyrocket and the black market would be massive.

And if I'm wrong, and people willingly march to government offices to hand over their guns, criminals would be dancing in the streets. Who has the most power now? Government and criminals. (kinda the same thing at times)

Rick wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Grady wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Personally I think the Second Amendment needs to be repealed by the states and then all guns banned. The are far more murders with handguns than any other weapon in the United States.

How about if we compromise....

You don't like guns, so you don't have to own any.

I do like guns, so I can own the guns want.

Everyone gets what they want! Win/Win!

:woo hoo:

I don't like handguns in the hands of folks who are shooting up the youth of Chicago for instance. So... how do you prevent that from happening... over 500 deaths last years.

How many of those 500 were by legal firearm owners? Chicago has a gang problem, and a violence problem.

Doesn't matter... they got handguns. Because they are available. If they were not legally for sale, it would certainly cut down on the amount of illegal guns floating around. Simple. Once handguns are illegal, then ANYONE who is caught with one is a criminal. Put them in jail.

And if handguns were deemed illegal to possess, there would have to be a taxpayer funded buy back program that would only work if the amount of reimbursement was at least equal to what the gun is worth. And if guns were no longer for sale in gun stores, the value would skyrocket and the black market would be massive.

And if I'm wrong, and people willingly march to government offices to hand over their guns, criminals would be dancing in the streets. Who has the most power now? Government and criminals. (kinda the same thing at times)

By back, symback... confiscate them all.

$5000 tax credit for everyone turned in? How many would you get then? Versus $500 cash vouchers for local liquor stores?

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Rick wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Grady wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote:

Nobody that matters wrote:

The Liberals GOP Twin wrote: Personally I think the Second Amendment needs to be repealed by the states and then all guns banned. The are far more murders with handguns than any other weapon in the United States.

How about if we compromise....

You don't like guns, so you don't have to own any.

I do like guns, so I can own the guns want.

Everyone gets what they want! Win/Win!

:woo hoo:

I don't like handguns in the hands of folks who are shooting up the youth of Chicago for instance. So... how do you prevent that from happening... over 500 deaths last years.

How many of those 500 were by legal firearm owners? Chicago has a gang problem, and a violence problem.

Doesn't matter... they got handguns. Because they are available. If they were not legally for sale, it would certainly cut down on the amount of illegal guns floating around. Simple. Once handguns are illegal, then ANYONE who is caught with one is a criminal. Put them in jail.

And if handguns were deemed illegal to possess, there would have to be a taxpayer funded buy back program that would only work if the amount of reimbursement was at least equal to what the gun is worth. And if guns were no longer for sale in gun stores, the value would skyrocket and the black market would be massive.

And if I'm wrong, and people willingly march to government offices to hand over their guns, criminals would be dancing in the streets. Who has the most power now? Government and criminals. (kinda the same thing at times)

By back, symback... confiscate them all.

You must also believe man is capable of creating world peace.

That whole "the Second Amendment is so the people can overthrow the government!" thing - its called insurrectionist theory. Here's why its bullshit. Bonus: The context of Jefferson's "tree of liberty" statement. A long read, but very, very worth it.

The Hidden History of the Second Amendment

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Bogus2.htm

Found this a pretty good read from Judge Andrew P. Napolitano and thought I would share it.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms is an extension of the natural right to self-defense and a hallmark of personal sovereignty. It is specifically insulated from governmental interference by the Constitution and has historically been the linchpin of resistance to tyranny. And yet, the progressives in both political parties stand ready to use the coercive power of the government to interfere with the exercise of that right by law-abiding persons because of the gross abuse of that right by some crazies in our midst.

When Thomas Jefferson wrote in the Declaration of Independence that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, he was marrying the nation at its birth to the ancient principles of the natural law that have animated the Judeo-Christian tradition in the West. Those principles have operated as a break on all governments that recognize them by enunciating the concept of natural rights.

As we have been created in the image and likeness of God the Father, we are perfectly free just as He is. Thus, the natural law teaches that our freedoms are pre-political and come from our humanity and not from the government, and as our humanity is ultimately divine in origin, the government, even by majority vote, cannot morally take natural rights away from us. A natural right is an area of individual human behavior -- like thought, speech, worship, travel, self-defense, privacy, ownership and use of property, consensual personal intimacy -- immune from government interference and for the exercise of which we don’t need the government’s permission.

The essence of humanity is freedom. Government -- whether voted in peacefully or thrust upon us by force -- is essentially the negation of freedom. Throughout the history of the world, people have achieved freedom when those in power have begrudgingly given it up. From the assassination of Julius Caesar to King John’s forced signing of the Magna Carta, from the English Civil War to the triumph of the allies at the end of World War II, from the fall of Communism to the Arab Spring, governments have permitted so-called nobles and everyday folk to exercise more personal freedom as a result of their demands for it and their fighting for it. This constitutes power permitting liberty.

The American experience was the opposite. Here, each human being is sovereign, as the colonists were after the Revolution. Here, the delegation to the government of some sovereignty -- the personal dominion over self -- by each American permitted the government to have limited power in order to safeguard the liberties we retained. Stated differently, Americans gave up some limited personal freedom to the new government so it could have the authority and resources to protect the freedoms we retained. Individuals are sovereign in America, not the government. This constitutes liberty permitting power.

But we did not give up any natural rights; rather, we retained them. It is the choice of every individual whether to give them up. Neither our neighbors nor the government can make those choices for us, because we are all without the moral or legal authority to interfere with anyone else’s natural rights. Since the government derives all of its powers from the consent of the governed, and since we each lack the power to interfere with the natural rights of another, how could the government lawfully have that power? It doesn’t. Were this not so, our rights would not be natural; they would be subject to the government’s whims.

To assure that no government would infringe the natural rights of anyone here, the Founders incorporated Jefferson’s thesis underlying the Declaration into the Constitution and, with respect to self-defense, into the Second Amendment. As recently as two years ago, the Supreme Court recognized this when it held that the right to keep and bear arms in one’s home is a pre-political individual right that only sovereign Americans can surrender and that the government cannot take from us, absent our individual waiver.

There have been practical historical reasons for the near universal historical acceptance of the individual possession of this right. The dictators and monsters of the 20th century -- from Stalin to Hitler, from Castro to Pol Pot, from Mao to Assad -- have disarmed their people, and only because some of those people resisted the disarming were all eventually enabled to fight the dictators for freedom. Sometimes they lost. Sometimes they won.

The principal reason the colonists won the American Revolution is that they possessed weapons equivalent in power and precision to those of the British government. If the colonists had been limited to crossbows that they had registered with the king’s government in London, while the British troops used gunpowder when they fought us here, George Washington and Jefferson would have been captured and hanged.

We also defeated the king’s soldiers because they didn’t know who among us was armed, because there was no requirement of a permission slip from the government in order to exercise the right to self-defense. (Imagine the howls of protest if permission were required as a precondition to exercising the freedom of speech.) Today, the limitations on the power and precision of the guns we can lawfully own not only violate our natural right to self-defense and our personal sovereignties; they assure that a tyrant can more easily disarm and overcome us.

The historical reality of the Second Amendment’s protection of the right to keep and bear arms is not that it protects the right to shoot deer. It protects the right to shoot tyrants, and it protects the right to shoot at them effectively, thus, with the same instruments they would use upon us. If the Jews in the Warsaw ghetto had had the firepower and ammunition that the Nazis did, some of Poland might have stayed free and more persons would have survived the Holocaust.

Most people in government reject natural rights and personal sovereignty. Most people in government believe that the exercise of everyone’s rights is subject to the will of those in the government. Most people in government believe that they can write any law and regulate any behavior, not subject to the natural law, not subject to the sovereignty of individuals, not cognizant of history’s tyrants, but subject only to what they can get away with."

by Judge Andrew P. Napolitano

Raees wrote: That whole "the Second Amendment is so the people can overthrow the government!" thing - its called insurrectionist theory. Here's why its bullsh**. Bonus: The context of Jefferson's "tree of liberty" statement. A long read, but very, very worth it.

The Hidden History of the Second Amendment

http://www.saf.org/LawReviews/Bogus2.htm

Professor Bogus's findings have already been discounted. There are countless speeches from President Washington and others that say individual Americans need to hold arms for many more reasons than possible slave revolts.

Check on the Battle Of Athens where armed Americans overthrew a stolen election. (Is that why Obama is anti-gun? Harder to steal elections with armed voters?)