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archer wrote: It's not the first time, nor will it be the last time that a well financed propaganda campaign buried the truth in an avalanche of lies.

However, give it some time, then ask the people if

1. Are you willing to give up your insurance because you have a pre-existing condition

2. Are you willing to return to a lifetime cap on the insurance for your gravely ill child?

3. Do you want to go back to higher premiums because you are a woman?

4. When your child hits 21, and is out of school but not making a lot of money do you want to pay for him/her to buy their own health insurance, let them go without insurance, or keep them on your policy till age 26.

5. Do you like not having to worry about your health insurance being cancelled when you get sick, or are you willing to give up that security

There are many more such as these benefits that people will say they want to keep, yet will then say yeah, the ACA is a bad bill. Why? Because the GOP told me so.

No... all the groups I mentioned above have said so, and that list above is only partial... there's many more than I listed. And I don't think these groups are lackeys of the GOP.

Food for thought.

GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!! Sit back and chuckle when what they want turns out to be the train wreck we all knew it would be.

otisptoadwater wrote: GIVE THE PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT!!! Sit back and chuckle when what they want turns out to be the train wreck we all knew it would be.

yep, you're a conservative...keep saying it over and over again, like repetition will make it true.

It's unfortunate that the Republicans didn't have the ability, or the desire, to craft, if not a bill of their own, changes to the ACA that they thought would make it better. They would be more credible if they had done SOMETHING positive.....they have been spewing the propaganda for so many years I think they actually believe their own lies....as do many of you, and many citizens. I will sit and chuckle when it turns out to be of benefit to many Americans and when the Republicans try to take it away they lose badly at the ballot box.

NOPE - Let the Obamabots enjoy the credit for the ruin of the nation. I'll be first in line to rub it in your face archer.

otisptoadwater wrote: NOPE - Let the Obamabots enjoy the credit for the ruin of the nation. I'll be first in line to rub it in your face archer.

The fight over the ACA will be soon forgotten in the wake of the US defaulting on it's debt.......That is far more likely to bring the ruin of this nation......and we will have Republicans to thank for that.

What do ya think Otis, will the GOP hold to their threat to shut the government down if they don't get their way? Or is this just more GOP theatrics, stomping their collective feet and holding their breath till they turn blue?

.....rub my face in it? I haven't heard a line like that since middle school.

archer wrote:

otisptoadwater wrote: NOPE - Let the Obamabots enjoy the credit for the ruin of the nation. I'll be first in line to rub it in your face archer.

The fight over the ACA will be soon forgotten in the wake of the US defaulting on it's debt.......That is far more likely to bring the ruin of this nation......and we will have Republicans to thank for that.

What do ya think Otis, will the GOP hold to their threat to shut the government down if they don't get their way? Or is this just more GOP theatrics, stomping their collective feet and holding their breath till they turn blue?

.....rub my face in it? I haven't heard a line like that since middle school.

Republicans are not trying to shut down the government, they are voting to fund everything except the bad law the majority of Americans want fixed or eliminated.

Rick wrote: Republicans are not trying to shut down the government, they are voting to fund everything except the bad law the majority of Americans want fixed or eliminated.

Sure they are Rick. After 40 tries to defund Obamacare that have failed every time, somehow they think that this time it will pass and they will get their way. Not to mention the Senate and the President have indicated that the 41st time will not be the charm. Yet the Republicans went ahead and decided that blackmail was preferable to actually doing their job and passing a bill to fund the government. They had 40 chances in the past to actually work on changes and improvements to the ACA, yet they choose symbolic votes over substantive proposals.

Spin it however you want, the Tea Party Republicans have forced the GOP into a corner, and the result of their last stand will be either disasterous for the country or the Republican Party, or both. You ever hear of General Custer?

Fact or fiction?

"• "House Republicans have now voted 41 times to repeal ObamaCare, knowing each time that those bills would go nowhere in the Senate." (Huffington Post)
Just one problem: Twenty percent of those bills made it to Obama's desk and secured his signature.
Obama signed House bills to kill a costly ObamaCare reporting rule, terminate its long-term care insurance program and repeal the "free choice voucher" program. He also signed bills cutting funds for the so-called CO-OP program, a public health slush fund and other ObamaCare programs.
Two other House-passed bills — one to end the Independent Payment Advisory Board and another terminating the medical device tax — have strong bipartisan support. Another simply codified the employer mandate delay Obama himself had already ordered.
Yet the media pretend these things never happened. This is admittedly a little thing. But as the Good Book says: "The person who is trustworthy in very small matters is also trustworthy in great ones; and the person who is dishonest in very small matters is also dishonest in great ones."


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OK...I did hear from several media sources (CNN, NBC) yesterday that the actual number of votes to defund all of Obamacare was around 30 (sorry I wasn't more specific). But that makes this vote even worse. The GOP should have learned from their history of votes that making changes, improvements to the ACA has a possibility of passing and will get some bipartisan support, voting to defund fails every time.