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archer wrote: OK...I did hear from several media sources (CNN, NBC) yesterday that the actual number of votes to defund all of Obamacare was around 30 (sorry I wasn't more specific). But that makes this vote even worse. The GOP should have learned from their history of votes that making changes, improvements to the ACA has a possibility of passing and will get some bipartisan support, voting to defund fails every time.

They have a lot of bipartisan support... from business and unions. In case you missed it...

Walter L Newton wrote: Well... evidently the AFL-CIO feels it's not going to be beneficial to their constituents... they asked for a waiver. How about SMART, the United Food and Commercial Workers, UNITE-HERE hotel, airport, food service, gaming, and textile union... they are having problems with all those "benefits." I believe the AFL-CIO produced a resolution that said "In a strongly worded resolution released Wednesday, the federation said that labor unions still support the Affordable Care Act's overall goals of reducing health costs and bringing coverage to all Americans, but added that the law is being implemented in a way that is "highly disruptive" to union health care plans."

And I believe that Congress asked (and received) an $11,000.00 special subsidy as a buffer to them joining the plan.

Franchise restaurant owners have come to Washington seeking a change to ObamaCare that they say could prevent them from having to cut their employees’ hours.

It's not a simple Democrats = right, GOP = wrong even though you want to make it into a partisan issue.

Yeah, I got a kick out of a Republican house member this morning claiming that this vote to defund Obamacare, while holding the funding for the government hostage, had bipartisan support....right, two democrats voted for it, one republican voted against it, and net of one vote. The Senate has even more Republicans opposed to it...

I don't have a problem with the opposition to Obamacare, that is their right and really what our government needs.....I have a problem with their tactics, and that is what several Republican Senate members oppose also......

Hey Walter, are you really claiming that the fight to defund Obamacare isn't partisan? What planet are you living on?

archer wrote: Hey Walter, are you really claiming that the fight to defund Obamacare isn't partisan? What planet are you living on?

The unions don't want it, the Congressional members don't want it, a majority of people don't want it, the fast food industry doesn't want it... and the list goes on. All bipartisanship is not about politicians.

You've yet to address the various concerns of those groups. I just they are just wrong too!

I don't take issue with people who oppose the bill, yes I think they are wrong but they have their reasons I guess. Interesting that the opposition to the law is pretty evenly divided between those who think it does too much, and those who think it doesn't do enough (I'm in the latter group). But, it is currently the law of the land, there will always be opposition to some laws, and there are ways for the opposition to deal with it. The Republicans right now are doing it wrong, IMHO, and have painted themselves into a partisan corner. Do you think they are using the right tactics?

I would welcome some changes to the ACA as it stands right now, but simply defunding it with nothing proposed to replace it does nothing for the citizens of this country.....they would be thrown back to the tender mercies of insurance companies, unable to get affordable insurance with a pre-existing condition (if they can get any at all), being cancelled when they get sick, etc. It's about time people who buy their own insurance had some of the advantages those who have employer based insurance have.

Who do you think benefits most from the ACA? While Obama touted over and over about the evil insurance companies and the bane of Big Pharma, behind the scenes he went lock stock and payoff to the insurance companies and Big Pharma.

This is just the other side of a different coin, but this time wrapped in in faulty government regulations.

Have you notice the silence from the industry?

I agree with you that the GOP are making mindless political moves which are simply hurting their brand.

But at the same time I see the Democrats diving headlong into this mess for the same partisan reasons as the GOP's disdain.

Neither side is listening to the hinterlands. We will suffer the most. But that means little to the plutocratic Political Class that now haunt the halls of Washington.

You want to know who the real 1% are... those boys and girls in DC.

(I've gone a bit off topic... or have I?)

I wsh the ACA was in effect when I was buying insurance. The policy I had for years suddenly started to rise 30 to 40 percent a year.....I searched for a lower rate policy, even with the same insurance company, but was denied for every policy I applied for because of a pre existing condition....there were no options, even the Colorado health insurance was sky high for me.

I delayed getting a colonoscopy because it was not covered by my insurance till 2010...being in a high risk category for complication during a colonoscopy I needed to have it done in a hospital with an anesthesiologists in attendance..to the tune of well over $5000. I don't blame the insurance co for my cancer, the decision was mine to wait, but I would have done it sooner if the procedure was covered. As it was I did it the very month theychanged their coverage.,

So yes, people will benefit from this law, and I think opinions will change in time as they learn what it will do for millions of Americans.

It screws tens of millions of young Americans making them subsidize old Americans for their healthcare. Well played Archer.

archer wrote: I wsh the ACA was in effect when I was buying insurance. The policy I had for years suddenly started to rise 30 to 40 percent a year.....I searched for a lower rate policy, even with the same insurance company, but was denied for every policy I applied for because of a pre existing condition....there were no options, even the Colorado health insurance was sky high for me.

I delayed getting a colonoscopy because it was not covered by my insurance till 2010...being in a high risk category for complication during a colonoscopy I needed to have it done in a hospital with an anesthesiologists in attendance..to the tune of well over $5000. I don't blame the insurance co for my cancer, the decision was mine to wait, but I would have done it sooner if the procedure was covered. As it was I did it the very month theychanged their coverage.,

So yes, people will benefit from this law, and I think opinions will change in time as they learn what it will do for millions of Americans.

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I'm thankful the ACA wasn't in effect when I got my cancer and I'm especialy greatful we weren't neck deep in a single payer mess. Each time I needed a critical scan, I got one within 48 hours max. This clusterf#ck is going to drive away new doctors and we WILL see longer waits like Canada, and we willl see rationing as our healthcare system resembles the typical government program/agency. Mark my words... it will happen.

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