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Nice try....it wasn't the democrats that said fund the ACA or we will shut the government down, nope the Republican said we will shut the government down if the ACA isn't defended. You own it, at least take the responsibility if you are going to issue the threat. (That is not directed at you PS but the Republicans in the house.)

Ckeveland clinic = a diversion ..........DETROIT IS the future because of the RUST BELT implosion.......get over it. RUST BELT implosion follows the general pattern of the termination of USSR.......radical socalism is doomed. Locals here should pay attention.

archer wrote: Nice try....it wasn't the democrats that said fund the ACA or we will shut the government down, nope the Republican said we will shut the government down if the ACA isn't defended. You own it, at least take the responsibility if you are going to issue the threat. (That is not directed at you PS but the Republicans in the house.)

What the Republicans have said is that they will not fund the ACA. They will fund the rest of the government, but not the ACA. It is the Democrats who are saying that if the ACA is not funded, then no funding bill for anything sent to them by the House will pass in the Senate. The standoff centers around one individual welfare program of the federal government. That is all that stands in the way. So fund the rest of the government and have the fight over the ACA.

What is the problem with proceeding in this manner archer? Why won't the Democrats pass or Obama sign any legislation which fails to fund the ACA but keeps the rest of the government open to waste tax revenues and abuse the liberty of the populace? So all of Obama's signature legislation gets delayed for a bit longer instead of only the parts of it he decides to delay. If/when the program is desired by the majority population, they will instruct the representatives they have elected to move forward or replace them with representatives who will, right? That is, after all, how the House came to be dominated by Republicans, isn't it? The people were so upset, so incensed at the conduct of the Democrats to pass the ACA that they replaced them in record numbers specifically to put an end to the ACA and the abuse they were suffering at the hands of a government totally controlled by one party. They took away the 3/5 majority in the Senate. Massachusetts took away that majority - a State that hadn't elected a Republican Senator for over 40 years. Brown wasn't even close in the polls until after Reid and his merry band of Democrats pulled the shenanigans in the Senate to pass the ACA in the 11th hour before the winter recess.

I know the collectivists support yet another consolidation of power into the federal government, I get that, but the body politic of the Union has opposed this law since it was first railroaded through the Congress in 2009-2010. This isn't Social Security, or Medicare, which had both the support of the majority of the people as well as a majority of the representatives they elected to the Congress, this is the ACA that was passed by the elected representatives of the people despite the expressed opposition of the majority of those that elected them. This is an example of the elected representatives failing to serve the people, much like what happened with Senators Morse and Giron in our State Senate this past session. This is an example of the elected representatives of the people serving their party and its interests rather than the people who elected them and theirs.

Twice as many people strongly oppose the legislation as those who strongly support it. The strongly support number doesn't even come close to matching the percentage of registered Democrats in the Union, which means that opposition to the ACA isn't even a wholly partisan position. The ACA has never enjoyed the support of the majority of the people in the Union, the majority has, since it was first being debated, instead opposed it. At what point do Democrats start listening to the voice of the people and governing with their consent instead of in continuing to act in the absence of that consent?

And now even the liberal New York Times had an article today about ACA limiting peoples choices. And BHO says he will negotiate with Iranian mullahs and Russian strongmen but not Republicans on reforming ACA.

BHO has said nothing of the sort... But FauxNews & LImburger will do its usual job of putting things in his mouth he never said....

You let us know when you have a SOURCE for that QUOTE, now, y'heah, Fred? :rofllol

Tick-Tock....

...and what about the NY Times article...forgot to dispute that? Or you know they were dead on?

Two sources the Hill.com and hotair.com says Obama told Boehner that he will not negotiate on the debt/ACA issues.

You said the quote was: "BHO says he will negotiate with Iranian mullahs and Russian strongmen but not Republicans on reforming ACA."

You let us know when you have a SOURCE for that QUOTE, now, y'heah, Fred? :rofllol

Last I heard, putting two disparate ideas together to form one fake quote does not count...Unless, of course, you work for FauxNews or Limburger.

The "Quoteless Wonder" strikes again... :pop

He's right, of course. It's TeaBots that have done this to themselves. The debt-ceiling is NOT NEGOTIABLE...Period, and the Teabaggers do so at their own peril...

The ACA is not a "policy", or a "bill"...It is the LAW OF THE LAND, duly passed by both houses of Congress, tested in the Supreme Court and found to be Constitutional, and you LOST the last election, which had that as a main campaign issue.

What part of "YOU LOSE" do you not get? The ACA is not negotiable either, and Cruz, and Lee and Steve King and all of their wacko buddies are going to find out what it means to paint themselves into a corner from which there is no exit.

Tick-tock, tick-tock....

LadyJazzer wrote: He's right, of course. It's TeaBots that have done this to themselves. The debt-ceiling is NOT NEGOTIABLE...Period, and the Teabaggers do so at their own peril...

The ACA is not a "policy", or a "bill"...It is the LAW OF THE LAND, duly passed by both houses of Congress, tested in the Supreme Court and found to be Constitutional, and you LOST the last election, which had that as a main campaign issue.

What part of "YOU LOSE" do you not get? The ACA is not negotiable either, and Cruz, and Lee and Steve King and all of their wacko buddies are going to find out what it means to paint themselves into a corner from which there is no exit.

Tick-tock, tick-tock....

The Obama administration has already painted themselves into a corner with this law.

Certain members of the GOP are wasting their time and are only going to wind up kicking themselves in the ass for all the effort.

It will bring the Democrats down all on it's own.

LadyJazzer wrote: You said the quote was: "BHO says he will negotiate with Iranian mullahs and Russian strongmen but not Republicans on reforming ACA."

You let us know when you have a SOURCE for that QUOTE, now, y'heah, Fred? :rofllol

Last I heard, putting two disparate ideas together to form one fake quote does not count...Unless, of course, you work for FauxNews or Limburger.

The "Quoteless Wonder" strikes again... :pop

Catch up. Obama has been in one on one talks with the new Iranian leader. And he has been in one on one negotiations with Putin. He told Boehner he won't negotiate with him. Makes you wonder who he is on his list of enemies. I sure hope the President of the US is willing to negotiate for Americans with other Americans.