Impeachment proceedings against Trump

Replied by homeagain on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

towermonkey wrote: So, sending unofficial letters, not subpoenas, to State Department officials telling them they must comply and, oh, by the way, don’t bring your lawyer, is how non-partisan, “official” investigations is supposed to proceed? Making up a fantasy conversation and reading it into the congressional record by the chairman is how investigations are supposed to proceed? Nothing about this process is above board because it is a political stunt that is now backfiring. Trump will be re-elected in a landslide. He should thank Schiff and Pelosi.


www.cbsnews.com/live-news/donald-trump-i...es-today-2019-10-07/

H-M-M-M...... Not sure you have ALL the facts,BUILDING a case takes time and GEE guess
what.......the above is a ABSOLUTE game changer.......wait for it, which is what my inner gut
has been saying all along......
07 Oct 2019 06:45 #651

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Replied by FredHayek on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

The Democrats and their press allies are quite funny. Just keep throwing darts against the wall, one of them has to stick! They sit in their bubble chambers agreeing with all their friends that Hillary must be avenged! Meanwhile America is doing great, unemployment is at record lows for minorities, a fifty year low for the nation. Wages are rising, especially low level jobs. Interest rates are low.

Sharpie Gate will take Trump down! Russia Gate will take Trump down! Whistleblower Hearsay will take him down!
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07 Oct 2019 08:34 #652

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Replied by Brandon on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

Thanks for the bleating points...
(Referring to them as talking points would be inaccurate)
Last edit: 07 Oct 2019 10:37 by Brandon.
07 Oct 2019 10:36 #653

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Replied by koobookie on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

towermonkey wrote: So, sending unofficial letters, not subpoenas, to State Department officials telling them they must comply and, oh, by the way, don’t bring your lawyer, is how non-partisan, “official” investigations is supposed to proceed? Making up a fantasy conversation and reading it into the congressional record by the chairman is how investigations are supposed to proceed? Nothing about this process is above board because it is a political stunt that is now backfiring. Trump will be re-elected in a landslide. He should thank Schiff and Pelosi.

I would be interested in knowing where you received this information. Can you provide a link to the "unofficial letters, not subpoenas" and the "don't bring your lawyer" assertion?
07 Oct 2019 13:27 #654

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Replied by ramage on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

Former Assistant US Attorney Andrew McCarthy explained earlier this week that Democrat lawmakers were sending out letters and not subpoenas to Trump administration officials.

According to McCarthy, subpoenas are legal actions to be complied with, except for certain privileges.
Letters are just a committee threats.

Democrats are playing hard and fast with the rules — and the liberal media is carrying their water.

Now this…
Democrats know they have no crime to throw at President Trump. This latest impeachment scandal is a complete stunt.
Every single witness so far has disputed the claims of their partisan Democratic CIA operative who filed his complaint based on second-hand hearsay.


Democrats know the don’t have a case and refuse to hold a vote.
That way they protect their members in Trump districts and they prevent Republicans from sending out their own subpoenas which would end this show trial in a matter of hours.

So Democrats are working to create an actual crime to pin on Donald Trump.

Pelosi and Democrats are going to compose a crime.
That is how much they hate their country.

From gatewaypundit.com 10/5/2019
07 Oct 2019 13:44 #655

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Replied by koobookie on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

I cannot find anything to corroborate your gatewaypundit blog post. All I can find is subpeaonas, not "letters." Do you have any credible news outlet that backs up the assertion?
07 Oct 2019 14:03 #656

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Replied by ramage on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

You obviously did not look with any effort.
What do you consider "credible". Andrew McCarthy is the DA that convicted the blind sheik in NYC for the first bombing of the WTC. Do an internet search for his postings.
07 Oct 2019 14:29 #657

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Replied by koobookie on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

ramage wrote: You obviously did not look with any effort.
What do you consider "credible". Andrew McCarthy is the DA that convicted the blind sheik in NYC for the first bombing of the WTC. Do an internet search for his postings.


I do not consider gatewaypundit.com to be a credible source. I did do a search, but when nothing remotely similar came up, I asked the person that posted the assertion to provide more information, or a credible source. You jumped into the fray.

FYI - towermonkey made the assertion. It is their responsibility to back it up. I should not have to research it for them, even though I made the attempt.
07 Oct 2019 14:52 #658

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Replied by ScienceChic on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

Haven't issued subpoenas?? :huh: :idontgetit:

Democrats subpoena Pentagon, White House budget director for Ukraine documents
House Democrats subpoenaed Defense Secretary Mark Esper and acting White House budget director Russell Vought
By Associated Press | Published: Oct 7, 2019

House Dems Subpoena White House In Impeachment Inquiry
By Cristina Cabrera, Talking Points Memo | October 5, 2019 9:47 am

The three chairs of the House’s Intelligence, Oversight, and Foreign Affairs committee subpoenaed the White House on Friday in their impeachment inquiry into President Donald Trump’s pressure campaign against Ukraine.

Intelligence chair Adam Schiff (D-CA), Oversight chair Elijah Cummings (D-MD), and Foreign Affairs chair Eliot Engel (D-NY) addressed acting White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney in the subpoena demanding documents related to President Donald Trump’s attempt to pressure the Ukrainian government into investigating Joe Biden and the White House’s efforts to cover it up.

“The White House has refused to engage with-or even respond to-multiple requests for documents from our Committees on a voluntary basis,” the chairmen wrote. “After nearly a month of stonewalling, it appears clear that the President has chosen a path of defiance, obstruction, and cover-up.”

The subpoena established a deadline of October 18.

House subpoenas Pompeo and schedules depositions of five State Department officials
By Hannah Knowles, Colby Itkowitz and John Wagner, Washington Post |
September 27, 2019

The chairmen of three powerful House committees subpoenaed Secretary of State Mike Pompeo for documents related to their investigation into President Trump’s controversial call with the leader of Ukraine.

The House panels have also scheduled five depositions beginning next week with State Department officials who would have knowledge of Trump’s engagements with Ukraine.


Nadler Statement on White House Obstruction of Dearborn, Porter & Lewandowski Testimony
Sep 16, 2019

Washington, D.C. –Today, the White House and Department of Justice ordered Rob Porter, former White House staff secretary and Rick Dearborn, former White House Deputy chief of staff for policy implementation, to defy subpoenas issued for their testimony before the House Judiciary Committee as part of its impeachment investigation. The White House also placed unprecedented limitations on the testimony of Corey Lewandowski, President Trump’s former campaign manager.

This one was especially rich, as they claimed executive privilege, even though Lewandowski had never once worked in the White House.

Explainer: How hard-hitting are U.S. Congress subpoenas, contempt citations?

House Judiciary approves subpoenas for 12 key witnesses, including Jared Kushner

Nadler says House panel to go to court to enforce McGahn subpoena

Chairman Nadler Issues Subpoena for Full Mueller Report and Underlying Materials

And there's more should you wish to delve deeper.
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The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

Your scars exist, but it’s your courage that defines you. ~Nalini Singh
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07 Oct 2019 15:22 #659

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Replied by ramage on topic Impeachment proceedings against Trump

Try this: thehill.com 10/3/2019

TheHill.com
Ignore the hype — this is not an impeachment inquiry
There is no impeachment inquiry. There are no subpoenas.

You are not to be faulted if you think a formal inquest is under way and that legal process has been issued. The misimpression is completely understandable if you have been taking in media coverage — in particular, reporting on a haughty Sept. 27 letter from House Democrats, presuming to direct Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, on pain of citation for obstruction, to cooperate in their demands to depose State Department officials and review various records.

The letter is signed by not one but three committee chairmen. Remember your elementary math, though: Zero is still zero even when multiplied by three.

What is portrayed as an “impeachment inquiry” is actually just a made-for-cable-TV political soap opera. The House of Representatives is not conducting a formal impeachment inquiry. To the contrary, congressional Democrats are conducting the 2020 political campaign.

The House has not voted as a body to authorize an impeachment inquiry. What we have are partisan theatrics, proceeding under the ipse dixit of Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). It raises the profile, but not the legitimacy, of the same “impeachment inquiry” House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) previously tried to abracadabra into being without a committee vote.

Moreover, there are no subpoenas. As Secretary Pompeo observed in his fittingly tart response on Tuesday, what the committee chairmen issued was merely a letter. Its huffing and puffing notwithstanding, the letter is nothing more than an informal request for voluntary cooperation. Legally, it has no compulsive power. If anything, it is rife with legal deficiencies.

The Democrats, of course, hope you don’t notice that the House is not conducting a formal impeachment inquiry. They are using the guise of frenetic activity by several standing committees — Intelligence, Judiciary, Foreign Affairs, Oversight and Reform, Financial Services, and Ways and Means — whose normal oversight functions are being gussied up to look like serious impeachment business.

But standing committees do have subpoena power, so why not use it? Well, because subpoenas get litigated in court when the people or agencies on the receiving end object. Democrats want to have an impeachment show — um, inquiry — on television; they do not want to defend its bona fides in court.


Perhaps The Hill is also not a credible source to you. Don't expect to see this in the AmazonPost or the NYTimes.
07 Oct 2019 15:48 #660

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