RESTART and resurgence will be the result.....

Pony Soldier wrote: He's right to be more concerned about the economy. There will be more death on a mass worldwide scale if we don't start it back up. Starving people will do some pretty bad things. You can climb down out of your ivory tower and join the starving masses if we keep this economy shut down.

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Guess U have NOT been following the agricultural side of this(RIGHT NOW)....thousands ofgallons of milk are being DUMPED 3 times a day from dairy farmer....crops are NOT coming
to market..they are being plowed under or rotting...WE are already there...do the research.

When we come out of quarantine too soon and we end up right back where we are now overwhelming our hospitals.
More of the same, hospitals are not being overwhelmed. Period.
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The Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase thinks we're going to enter a deep recession, but even he said "people shouldn't return to work until it is clear the U.S. health system is equipped to deal with the crush of coronavirus patients and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control deems it safe."

Words that can be expected of a billionaire, he may not make his 50+ million this year.

have rapid mass testing available
can do contact tracing on outbreaks and implement micro-quarantines for those in direct contact (jobs for the unemployed!)
obtain adequate PPE for healthcare workers
are past the peak of cases in this round so that our hospitals don't go into another crisis mode but can handle the cases that will continue to pop up in clusters and [smaller] waves until we get a vaccine.
Spoke like a government worker or a Jeffco Teachers Union Representative. As long as we get paid, the rest of you suck it up, and by the way we want to be paid for the entire school year.

have rapid mass testing available
can do contact tracing on outbreaks and implement micro-quarantines for those in direct contact (jobs for the unemployed!)
obtain adequate PPE for healthcare workers
are past the peak of cases in this round so that our hospitals don't go into another crisis mode but can handle the cases that will continue to pop up in clusters and [smaller] waves until we get a vaccine.

Here's a novel idea, put a yellow 6 point star on those individuals (your choice) who passed or failed your covid-19 test. By the way, does that include the children?

The new mantra of the Left, "I've got mine, screw you".. Sorry that the hair salon business that you spent the last 20 yrs developing, but it is in the "public" interest.

ScienceChic wrote: Histrionics. China went into lockdown for 3 months, we've been in it for a month. People are stepping up donating to food banks, helping out neighbors, and our government has passed one relief bill and will likely do another. This isn't going to last forever, there isn't going to be mass starvation. We come out of quarantine too soon and we end up right back where we are now overwhelming our hospitals.

The Chairman and CEO of JPMorgan Chase thinks we're going to enter a deep recession, but even he said "people shouldn't return to work until it is clear the U.S. health system is equipped to deal with the crush of coronavirus patients and the U.S. Centers for Disease Control deems it safe."

We can leave lockdown just as soon as we:

• have rapid mass testing available
• can do contact tracing on outbreaks and implement micro-quarantines for those in direct contact (jobs for the unemployed!)
• obtain adequate PPE for healthcare workers
• are past the peak of cases in this round so that our hospitals don't go into another crisis mode but can handle the cases that will continue to pop up in clusters and [smaller] waves until we get a vaccine.

Anyone who's been tested and determined positive for antibodies and therefore immune (and non-infectious) is good to go wherever they please. Those who haven't been infected need to keep being careful as they will continue to be susceptible, but they can go out and about with their own understanding of the risks. Those at high risk due to co-morbidities should continue to restrict contact with others until a vaccine is available, hopefully in 12-15 months.

Did you really just compare us to China? We wouldn't be in this position if they had actually "gone into lockdown" instead of covering it up. It's a pretty good bet that all of us will be exposed to and likely contract this virus. We will never gain herd immunity again for anything if we follow these ridiculous guidelines. We need to protect the high risk people, but get the rest back to work. If you think we can stave off mass riots by a few people donating some food, you're more naive than I even gave you credit for. It is already starting. Food banks have lines miles long. People are losing their homes. Protests are going on around the country, so far peaceful, but that will change. People are eyeing the end of April and if that date gets extended, you will see blood in the streets. You can call it histrionics - whatever. It is simply what will happen. You can't just remove people's income and expect everything to be fine. You can't shut down your food supply and expect everything to be fine. It would be utter stupidity on the part of the governors if they continue this. I'll second Ramage on the hospitals. They are NOT being overwhelmed. They are so slow in most of the country that they are furloughing workers - actually reducing our capacity. You see the ones on TV and search out the docs on twitter who have been overworked, but that is not the norm. It's like Anderson Cooper standing in a ditch to make the flooding look bad. Only the completely gullible are falling for it.

And just like that, we cured pneumonia.....

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If the vaccine won't be here for 18 to 24 months, we will need to open the economy back up way before that. I don't like this month for Colorado, but I am hoping mid to late May will work.
By then we will hopefully have the PPE and ventilators to handle the increased numbers. Face it, most of us will eventually get Covid-19. It is more a question of how long the economy and the population will tolerate a shutdown. I am starting to see groups revolting around the world.
The bullcrap, "if it saves one life, isn't it worth it" isn't reasonable. If one hundred people lose their jobs and homes to save that one life, was it worth it?

Would you sacrifice your daughter, son, spouse or grandparent for the economy, Fred?

Governor Polis did make that call, letting restaurants and other businesses remain open. Risking liquor and marijuana store employees to help out the economy. Allowing food takeout, exposing restaurant cashiers and delivery drivers. He put peoples lives in danger so that you could get your drunk on.

I live in an agricultural community......so,mass starvation is not the issue, what IS the issue is
food availability...what this will do is FORCE the masses to do is a good thing....rely on LOCAL
food farmers and street markets....LOCAL community gardens, DIY food.....BIG AG is going
to be hard pressed to get food to markets in the quantity and variety that are the norm...

FredHayek wrote:

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If the vaccine won't be here for 18 to 24 months, we will need to open the economy back up way before that. I don't like this month for Colorado, but I am hoping mid to late May will work.
By then we will hopefully have the PPE and ventilators to handle the increased numbers. Face it, most of us will eventually get Covid-19. It is more a question of how long the economy and the population will tolerate a shutdown. I am starting to see groups revolting around the world.
The bullcrap, "if it saves one life, isn't it worth it" isn't reasonable. If one hundred people lose their jobs and homes to save that one life, was it worth it?

Would you sacrifice your daughter, son, spouse or grandparent for the economy, Fred?

Governor Polis did make that call, letting restaurants and other businesses remain open. Risking liquor and marijuana store employees to help out the economy. Allowing food takeout, exposing restaurant cashiers and delivery drivers. He put peoples lives in danger so that you could get your drunk on.

Which is why he classified them "essential services."

Which family member are you willing to sacrifice for the economy, Fred?

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote:

koobookie wrote:

FredHayek wrote: If the vaccine won't be here for 18 to 24 months, we will need to open the economy back up way before that. I don't like this month for Colorado, but I am hoping mid to late May will work.
By then we will hopefully have the PPE and ventilators to handle the increased numbers. Face it, most of us will eventually get Covid-19. It is more a question of how long the economy and the population will tolerate a shutdown. I am starting to see groups revolting around the world.
The bullcrap, "if it saves one life, isn't it worth it" isn't reasonable. If one hundred people lose their jobs and homes to save that one life, was it worth it?

Would you sacrifice your daughter, son, spouse or grandparent for the economy, Fred?

Governor Polis did make that call, letting restaurants and other businesses remain open. Risking liquor and marijuana store employees to help out the economy. Allowing food takeout, exposing restaurant cashiers and delivery drivers. He put peoples lives in danger so that you could get your drunk on.

Which is why he classified them "essential services."

Which family member are you willing to sacrifice for the economy, Fred?

I am not, I am being a good quarantine boy. But other Americans will resist the lockdown. Golf is returning to the links on June 14th. Wrestling was allowed to restart in Florida. Mixed Martial Arts is renting out a private island so they can continue matches.