ABORTION ON DEMAND - A NEW TWIST

Why is it that only Christians should try to reduce the rate in which babies in the womb are ripped to pieces? Shouldn't this be something all of humanity should try to help reduce?

I guess Bill Clinton got it wrong when he said abortion should be safe and RARE.

Conservatives said it couldn't happen, told us it was settled law, that liberals were being hysterical. Then Roe v. Wade was overturned.

Then conservatives said restricting contraception couldn't happen, that it was a private decision, that liberals were fear mongering, being hysterical, even though Clarence Thomas, in 2022, indicated that he was in favor of restricting contraception.

Yesterday, Senate Republicans voted against a bill to protect the right to contraception. The bill has essentially been killed. This is an attempt to codify what should be recognized as a right to make your own choices about family planning.

Written by Heather Cox Richardson:

In the Senate, Democrats forced Republicans to vote on advancing a bill to protect access to contraception. Republicans threatened a filibuster, meaning it would take 60 votes to bring the bill forward. And so the measure failed by a vote of 51 in favor to 39 against (Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer of New York voted no so he could bring the measure up again). Republican senators Susan Collins of Maine and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska voted in favor of the measure. All the other Republicans either voted no or did not vote.

All the Republicans running for reelection this year voted no: John Barrasso (R-WY), Marsha Blackburn (R-TN), Kevin Cramer (R-ND), Ted Cruz (R-TX), Deb Fischer (R-NE), Josh Hawley (R-MO), Pete Ricketts (R-NE), Rick Scott (R-FL), and Roger Wicker (R-MS).

Some of them said they voted no because there was no danger that Republicans would attack contraception, claiming that Democrats were just “fear-mongering.” But in 2022, House Republicans overwhelmingly voted against protecting contraceptive rights, and in an interview last month, Trump said he was looking at restrictions on contraceptives before his campaign walked the statement back. Yesterday, in a hearing of the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee on “How Abortion Bans Have Created a Health Care Nightmare Across America,” a Republican witness, Dr. Christina Francis, chief executive officer of the American Association of Pro-Life Obstetricians and Gynecologists (AAPLOG) took the position that IUDs and Plan B emergency contraception constitute abortion and should be banned. In the Senate itself, Joni Ernst (R-IA) has already proposed getting rid of Plan B.

A February 2024 poll showed that 80% of American voters said that protecting access to birth control was “deeply important” to them.

heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/june-5-2024


You boys have no idea what is coming this November.

Roe was moved to a state decision. Same deal with the right to contraception. Let the states decide what is legal.

FredHayek wrote: Roe was moved to a state decision. Same deal with the right to contraception. Let the states decide what is legal.

Classic conservative talking point. From which right wing site did you get that response?

Some of us think for ourselves.

America has always be a battle between states rights and federal. It is in our name itself, "The United States of America". And part of the purpose of the courts is deciding who has jurisdiction.
Marijuana? States get to decide if it is illegal or not despite it still being illegal at the federal level. I hope they fix this current contradiction soon.
Speed limits? Should States get to decide how fast you get to go? Or the Feds?
Drinking age? Used to be the States got to decide, but then the Feds got heavy handed and told the states that they wouldn't give them their share of gasoline taxes unless they increased it to 21.

According to you, in the future, when Republicans outlaw contraception, that's an acceptable removal of a personal right.

IUD's, Plan B, condoms, etc. could be outlawed on a national level. That's fine by you.

koobookie wrote: According to you, in the future, when Republicans outlaw contraception, that's an acceptable removal of a personal right.

IUD's, Plan B, condoms, etc. could be outlawed on a national level. That's fine by you.

Do you honestly think that would happen on a national level? Or that abortions would be banned on a national level?

In this current environment, both of these would be impossible to pass. And if a state tried to even ban birth control, those politicians who passed it would lose their jobs by the next term. Everywhere they have put abortion rights on the state ballot, the pro-abortion side has won. Including in Deep Red States like Kansas.

Colorado will have that question on our ballot in November. I predict abortion rights will win 70-30.

FredHayek wrote: Do you honestly think that would happen on a national level? Or that abortions would be banned on a national level?

In this current environment, both of these would be impossible to pass. And if a state tried to even ban birth control, those politicians who passed it would lose their jobs by the next term. Everywhere they have put abortion rights on the state ballot, the pro-abortion side has won. Including in Deep Red States like Kansas.

Colorado will have that question on our ballot in November. I predict abortion rights will win 70-30.

Where have you been the past two years? Yes, it is entirely possible, perhaps even probable given the radical right that pushes for $hit like that. I can see the Republicans, in their lame duck session between November and January, pushing through those types of bans.

Conservative told us, when Donny the Convicted Felon was elected, that Roe v. Wade was settled law, then it was dismantled and half the population lost a right. We had three Supreme Court Justices tell the Senate in confirmation hearings that R v W was settled law and "don't worry, we would never repeal it." Then look what happened.

Well, Fred, you have no idea what is coming for conservatives in November. Republicans keep shooting themselves in the foot with attacks on reproductive freedom.

Get real. The Republicans simply don't have the votes. They barely have the House and many of those Republicans want to be reelected so they will not ban either abortion nationally and banning birth control would be even more unpopular.

And if it somehow passed the House, Democrats control the Senate and would never pass the bill. And even if through some fluke, it passed the Senate, President Biden would vote down any anti-abortion bill and especially any anti-birth control legislation.

#politicalreality

FredHayek wrote: Get real. The Republicans simply don't have the votes. They barely have the House and many of those Republicans want to be reelected so they will not ban either abortion nationally and banning birth control would be even more unpopular.

And if it somehow passed the House, Democrats control the Senate and would never pass the bill. And even if through some fluke, it passed the Senate, President Biden would vote down any anti-abortion bill and especially any anti-birth control legislation.

#politicalreality

Get real? The Republicans have the Supreme Court, and all it takes is for someone to bring a case that contraception is not a personal right or some such fracking nonsense and BOOOOOOM, another right taken away by the SC.

You say it can't happen, but it already has happened in 2022, and Clarence has indicated that they are coming for it. Get real, Fred.