Obamacare Stands/Insurance Mandate, er, Tax Upheld

28 Jun 2012 08:18 - 28 Jun 2012 09:17 #1 by FredHayek
Think this will help Romney?

I had heard last week that Roberts was going to change sides on this. Guess Obama gets to spike the football!

Initial press reports were amusing. I heard one call it a 6-3 decision to uphold ACA.

I always thought the mandate/tax was constitutional. It will be interesting to see how the economy and market take this news.

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28 Jun 2012 08:22 #2 by Raees
The Supreme Court has upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The court on Thursday handed Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in requiring most Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty.

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28 Jun 2012 08:25 #3 by CinnamonGirl
Replied by CinnamonGirl on topic Obamacare Stands/Insurance Mandate, er, Tax Upheld
How exciting it is now a tax!

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28 Jun 2012 08:28 #4 by Reverend Revelant

Raees wrote: The Supreme Court has upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The court on Thursday handed Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in requiring most Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty.


You're not precise in your headline. They struck down the mandate under the Commerce Clause... they defined it as a tax.

Verrilli had to be careful, though. While he insisted that the penalty is not a tax for Anti-Injunction Act purposes, he is expected to argue as the case proceeds that Congress is within its authority to pass the health-care law in part because of its ability to tax.

“Today you are arguing that the penalty is not a tax,” said Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. “Tomorrow you will be back and arguing that the penalty is a tax.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html


The administration kept insisting it wasn't a tax. Well... it is a tax. Hey Obama... go to the 78% of Americans who are against this whole bill and on the stump... tell them it's really a tax. That should go over like a rock. And they narrowed the Medicaid expansion. That's not a victory for Obama. Tell the old folks that Medicaid is not going to be expanded.

It may be a hollow victory for the administration. We'll see.

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28 Jun 2012 08:29 - 28 Jun 2012 08:30 #5 by Rick

"For us to say you have to take responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase," Obama said in response to persistent questioning, later adding: "Nobody considers that a tax increase."


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28 Jun 2012 08:30 #6 by PrintSmith

Raees wrote: The Supreme Court has upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The court on Thursday handed Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in requiring most Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty.

The ruling clearly indicates that if it were a penalty and not a tax that it wouldn't be constitutional. The Supreme Court rejected it under commerce clause and necessary and proper clause arguments and upheld it under the power delegated to tax. It is not a penalty Raees, it is a tax.

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28 Jun 2012 08:31 #7 by cydl
It'll be interesting to see if this hurts Obama/helps Romney since so many seem to be opposed to it. Between this and the economy I believe we have all our attack ads laid out for us for the next 5 months!

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28 Jun 2012 08:34 - 28 Jun 2012 08:35 #8 by LOL
I'm surprised. Just shows the pundits are usually wrong. LOL
Congrats to the Obamacare supporters, good luck! You're going to need it. :)

And congrats to Fred for being the first to post this. You win! :lol:

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28 Jun 2012 08:34 #9 by Reverend Revelant

PrintSmith wrote:

Raees wrote: The Supreme Court has upheld the individual insurance requirement at the heart of President Barack Obama's health care overhaul.

The court on Thursday handed Obama a campaign-season victory in rejecting arguments that Congress went too far in requiring most Americans to have health insurance or pay a penalty.

The ruling clearly indicates that if it were a penalty and not a tax that it wouldn't be constitutional. The Supreme Court rejected it under commerce clause and necessary and proper clause arguments and upheld it under the power delegated to tax. It is not a penalty Raees, it is a tax.


And the taxes are fairly low. So you might be better off just paying the tax instead of buying insurance. The preexisting condition provision survives, but if people prefer to pay the tax, then the insurance carriers won’t get the funds they needed to cover the high-risk patients. I see new rate increases for everyone.

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28 Jun 2012 08:36 #10 by archer
Can Romney really attack Obama on this being a tax when that is what he did over and over again as governor, use fees/taxes to fund government programs.

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