gov improving their skills at euthanizing bovine herds.

homeagain wrote: MY understanding.....the taxes that are in arrears (?) would be payed IF he could write the
check to the STATE NOT THE FEDS.....THAT is his stance/position regarding the "grabbing
techniques of the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT......(collectively we KNOW that the Feds are NOT
to be trusted.).....JMO.....(read my sig line,which says it all.)

My previous post about the VA dovetails into the above statement....the rancher in question,
Snoden and ALL the whistle-blowers (who have the "stones")to EXPOSE/QUESTION the Feds
assumption that they do NOT answer to the people.

If the Feds can NOT do right by our Veterans, WHAT makes you (collectively) think they are
doing right for the ranchers/farmers of this country???.......REREAD Martin Enterprises lengthly
post from a RANCHER who supports the "cause"......MY stance is in support of the rancher in
question and UNTIL the Feds PROVE they are trustworthy,honest, and WORK for the people of
this country...I will CONTINUE to voice my support of those who question and expect answers
that are HONEST and straight up. JMO

Conservatives throw their bigots out with the trash. Liberals give theirs shows on MSNBC.

homeagain, You must be mistaken. The far left believe in an all powerful central politburo. Just ask them.

FredHayek wrote: Conservatives throw their bigots out with the trash. Liberals give theirs shows on MSNBC.

Really?...Does that mean that Hannity is on the way out? Alex Jones finally gets called for the scum he is and gets tossed out with the trash? Limbaugh is toast? Coulter is finally junkyard trailer trash?!?!


GOD, I can only hope....

Why dost thou converse with that trunk of humours, that bolting-hutch of beastliness, that swollen parcel of dropsies, that huge bombard of sack, that stuffed cloak-bag of guts, that roasted Manningtree ox with pudding in his belly, that reverend vice, that grey Iniquity, that father ruffian, that vanity in years?

Taken from: Henry IV, part I

:rofllol

homeagain wrote:

Martin Enterprises wrote: There have been a lot of people criticizing Clive Bundy because he did not pay his grazing fees for 20 years. The public is also probably wondering why so many other cowboys are supporting Mr. Bundy even though they paid their fees and Clive did not. What you people probably do not realize is that on every rancher's grazing permit it says the following: "You are auth...orized to make grazing use of the lands, under the jurisdiction of the Bureau of Land Management and covered by this grazing permit, upon your acceptance of the terms and conditions of this grazing permit and payment of grazing fees when due." The "mandatory" terms and conditions go on to list the allotment, the number and kind of livestock to be grazed, when the permit begins and ends, the number of active or suspended AUMs (animal units per month), etc. The terms and conditions also list specific requirements such as where salt or mineral supplements can be located, maximum allowable use of forage levels (40% of annual growth), etc., and include a lot more stringent policies that must be adhered to. Every rancher must sign this "contract" agreeing to abide by the TERMS AND CONDITIONS before he or she can make payment. In the early 90s, the BLM went on a frenzy and drastically cut almost every rancher's permit because of this desert tortoise issue, even though all of us ranchers knew that cow and desert tortoise had co-existed for a hundred+ years. As an example, a family friend had his permit cut by 90%. For those of you who are non ranchers, that would be equated to getting your paycheck cut 90%. In 1976 there were approximately 52 ranching permittees in this area of Nevada. Presently, there are 3. Most of these people lost their livelihoods because of the actions of the BLM. Clive Bundy was one of these people who received extremely unfair and unreasonable TERMS AND CONDITIONS. Keep in mind that Mr. Bundy was required to sign this contract before he was allowed to pay. Had Clive signed on the dotted line, he would have, in essence, signed his very livelihood away. And so Mr. Bundy took a stand, not only for himself, but for all of us. He refused to be destroyed by a tyrannical federal entity and to have his American liberties and freedoms taken away. Also keep in mind that all ranchers financially paid dearly for the forage rights those permits allow - - not rights to the land, but rights to use the forage that grows on that land. Many of these AUMS are water based, meaning that the rancher also has a vested right (state owned, not federal) to the waters that adjoin the lands and allow the livestock to drink. These water rights were also purchased at a great price. If a rancher cannot show beneficial use of the water (he must have the appropriate number of livestock that drinks and uses that water), then he loses that water right. Usually water rights and forage rights go hand in hand. Contrary to what the BLM is telling you, they NEVER compensate a rancher for the AUMs they take away. Most times, they tell ranchers that their AUMS are "suspended," but not removed. Unfortunately, my family has thousands of "suspended" AUMs that will probably never be returned. And so, even though these ranchers throughout the course of a hundred years invested thousands(and perhaps millions) of dollars and sacrificed along the way to obtain these rights through purchase from others, at a whim the government can take everything away with the stroke of a pen. This is the very thing that Clive Bundy single-handedly took a stand against. Thank you, Clive, from a rancher who considers you a hero.

-Kena Lytle Gloeckner

IF you have NEVER been a rancher/farmer....someone who literally produces the food that
YOU eat.....(not some corporation conglomerate)....you will never understand the "stand"
that was taken....ranching/farming is a HARD way to make a living....I APPLAUD this
rancher and his FIRM stand against being railroaded.....JMO

AGAIN....Martin's post is a "glimpse" into the reality of this situation.....altho I'm NOT enthralled/happy with the racial rhetoric that this rancher spitting out (and I'm glad that
there is "push back" from some senators.) I STILL support his stance.

The mental-giant (racist scumbag) at his finest:

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This is what all the domestic terrorists are fighting for... :LMAO: :rofllol

homeagain wrote: I STILL support his stance.

I'll bet you do. And I'm so happy for you. That says more than anything...

(Read MY sig lines...They say it all too.)




#tooinformedtovoterepublican

At least he likes Mexicans...

“I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders,” he said. (Mr. Bundy, is that the same Constitution and borders from the same government you don't recognize?)

“But they’re here and they’re people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes.”

(That means they're supporting Bundy so he can mooch of the government for 20 years)

Why is he a racist scumbag? I don't see it. He has a view that he is expressing based on what he has observed. Maybe unfortunate that he didn't say most people, Negro or otherwise. We raise dependent people, regardless of color when we continue to teach them to depend on the government.

LadyJazzer wrote: The mental-giant (racist scumbag) at his finest:

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This is what all the domestic terrorists are fighting for... :LMAO: :rofllol

homeagain wrote: I STILL support his stance.

I'll bet you do. And I'm so happy for you. That says more than anything...

(Read MY sig lines...They say it all too.)




#tooinformedtovoterepublican

Is there really any discussion that goes on here? It appears that Mr. Bundy has an issue with state vs. fed rights in this particular situation. I didn't get that he objects to the government in general. Did I miss something here?

Cathy_Lee wrote: At least he likes Mexicans...

“I understand that they come over here against our Constitution and cross our borders,” he said. (Mr. Bundy, is that the same Constitution and borders from the same government you don't recognize?)

“But they’re here and they’re people. I worked side-by-side a lot of them. Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes.”

(That means they're supporting Bundy so he can mooch of the government for 20 years)