Impeachment proceedings against Trump

24 Jan 2019 16:30 #391 by driver8

homeagain wrote:

ramage wrote: Let us assume that the President is impeached by the House and it is affirmed by the Senate. You now have President Pence, a born again Christian in the White House. What say you now?


We are STILL fubared…….not by an egocentric individual,but rather by a religious zealot.jmo

I observed his smug and SILENT demeanor during the famous "I would be proud to shutdown the government" meeting. My immediate thought was he was just bidding his time (patiently)UNTIL Trump was no longer in the picture....almost basking in the promise of the presidency thru default. jmo


LOL, Pence is just as dirty and given his 'pious' demeanor makes it even more hilarious. Only question I have is who knows who recommended pious pence as VP? Anybody want to guess?
IMHO, impeachment will only be as a last resort, I belive the thing that is going to happen is indictment. and more than a few folk in this administration.

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27 Feb 2019 08:30 #392 by ScienceChic


Testimony of Michael D Cohen Committee of Oversight and Reform, U.S. House of Representatives

Copy of his opening statement testimony

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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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27 Feb 2019 11:04 #393 by ScienceChic
Sooo...thoughts on that testimony and Q&A session?

Michael Cohen’s Testimony Is Really About Impeachment
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"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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27 Feb 2019 13:26 #394 by Pony Soldier

ScienceChic wrote: Sooo...thoughts on that testimony and Q&A session?

Michael Cohen’s Testimony Is Really About Impeachment
Forget the racism and bluster and vanity. This is about high crimes and misdemeanors.
by KIM WEHLE. The Bulwark
FEBRUARY 27, 2019

Why it Matters if Trump Knew About Stone's Contacts with WikiLeaks
By Carrie Cordero
Wednesday, February 27, 2019, 9:53 AM

Decades of Dirty Tricks Finally Catch Up to Roger Stone
Roger Stone Indictment
Roger Stone Evidence


Was any evidence of a crime offered?

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27 Feb 2019 14:50 #395 by ScienceChic
Yes, the check that was written personally by Donald Trump to Michael Cohen after he became president as reimbursement for paying off Ms. Clifford for her silence about their affair for one.

Testimony resumes:

www.c-span.org/video/?458125-1/michael-c...sight-committee&live

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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27 Feb 2019 15:48 #396 by Pony Soldier

ScienceChic wrote: Yes, the check that was written personally by Donald Trump to Michael Cohen after he became president as reimbursement for paying off Ms. Clifford for her silence about their affair for one.

Testimony resumes:


www.c-span.org/video/?458125-1/michael-c...sight-committee&live


To believe that, you have to believe that Cohen, a man stripped of his professional status and convicted of lying, is telling the truth. The check amount doesn’t match the alleged payoff amount, but let’s throw that all aside and assume he’s telling the truth. It’s an expense reimbursement check. Not a payoff. Even if you could go all the way to payoff, it is still not a crime. If you believe all that, then you have to also take Cohen at his word that Trump didn’t even want to win the election, but rather, wanted to publicize his brand. If that is the case, he was protecting his business brand - not a crime.

I personally think Cohen is lying about everything and am hearing that he’s already been referred for further prosecution for demonstrably lying during this testimony.

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27 Feb 2019 16:46 - 27 Feb 2019 16:47 #397 by Blazer Bob

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27 Feb 2019 17:46 #398 by ScienceChic
I trust Cohen as far as I could throw him, which doesn't matter one hill of beans. The point is that for anything he says, law enforcement has seized his personal files, his computer, the recordings he made, collected his emails and private messages, bank statements, financial filings, and phone locations. They have the evidence to corroborate or explode each of his claims, and then go further with the stuff he neglected to mention.

You have to realize too, that he testified today about nothing relating to conspiring with Russia. He knows more about that (and likely discussed it in the closed door session yesterday, and will again tomorrow). See here, here, and here.

In addition to Cohen, they have Allen Weisselberg who has agreed to cooperate with the investigation - the man who wrote the checks for the Trump Foundation and was involved in Trump's accounting for far longer than Cohen was around. They also have David Pecker of AMI/National Enquirer, the man/publication which helped suppress negative stories about Trump and amplify attacks on his opponents, cooperating, and have seized all of his information.

The Special Counsel's Office has ample evidence of the Trump family's crimes as alleged by Cohen, and hinted at in the multitude of judicial filings I've posted here in this thread.

Have you forgotten Felix Sater? I haven't.
Trump, Putin and the mob. Part 6: Trump, Felix Sater and their ties to mafia Don Semion Mogilevich

Yes, the president was highly unethical in not divesting himself of his business holdings, and working to enrich himself and his business brand while acting as president in ways that break the law is totally illegal (see deliberately over-charging for his hotel rooms during the Inauguration, those records of which are now being requested and reviewed). He hasn't released his tax returns, the first president not to do so in decades. The payoff to Clifford was a crime, even if done through a surrogate (see John Edwards). Just because Trump didn't want to win the election doesn't mean that what he did was legal - he was campaigning to become POTUS. And he won. And continued trying to cover this up, lying straight up to the American people that he knew nothing about it.

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill

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27 Feb 2019 18:26 #399 by homeagain
SDNY is setting their sights on something BIG...….this hearing today is just a prelude to probable perjury and PROVABLE CASE against the king's crimes...jmo....wait for it

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27 Feb 2019 18:40 #400 by ScienceChic
Lest we forget, Michael Cohen was also the Deputy Chair of Finance for the Republican National Committee, which released this fun video yesterday:

RNC tells Michael Cohen to ‘have fun in prison,’ as GOP readies war room to push back on testimony

"It’s all fun and games until your deputy finance chair tells the public what kinds of mob crimes you’re helping to cover up, right before he heads to prison." ~Sara Danner Dukic, @saradannerdukic

This isn’t closing the barn door after the horses got out, this is bleaching the entire barn after a bloody murder, burning it to the ground for good measure then turning around and trying to innocently say “What barn?” The RNC doesn't have anything to worry about though, right?
:sarcasm:

(Hint: Read the transcript of the conversation among GOP leaders obtained by The Post - they knew what Russia was doing and laughed about it)

"Now, more than ever, the illusions of division threaten our very existence. We all know the truth: more connects us than separates us. But in times of crisis the wise build bridges, while the foolish build barriers. We must find a way to look after one another as if we were one single tribe.” -King T'Challa, Black Panther

The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it. ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. ~Winston Churchill
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